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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 - 4:13am

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I know libertarians are not crazy about FISA court (I assume this is what you're alluding to) and I share your concern regarding it's potential for abuse. However, I am not as naive as Henry Stimson in believing that espionage, and keeping certain things secret, is something we should dispense with because "gentlemen do not read each others' mail". If China and Russia and other countries are attacking our cyber infrastructure and other political or economic institutions, we should certainly engage in efforts to detect and thwart such meddling. The Church commission certainly found abuses back in the 70s like MK ULTRA, etc. and there's probably some bending of the rules going on today. But there is intelligence legitimately gathered whose release would endanger the source. Not only that, but when the intelligence comes from another nation (like Israel in the case of Trump's ignorant exposure of intelligence they provided, which he boasted to Russian ambassador Kislak about) and you haven't cleared this sort of exposure with them first, they're likely to be pissed, especially if their source turns up dead.

In short, pointing to excesses by intelligence and law enforcement agencies like the FBI and CIA is not a valid justification for saying that the government should always release any information it possesses.

 
let's brass tack it

who decides on the level of accountability?

you? lieutenant weinberg? a bunch of the club members?

because enumerated powers
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Posted: Feb 6, 2018 - 11:50am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 sirdroseph wrote:
Funny but also sad that everyone has their partisan knickers in such a wad that this much more important overall point is not even hitting home with the public.{#Sad}

This whole sordid affair drips irony. I heard the anchor on NPR this morning arguing with a member of the Intelligence Committee (a former intelligence officer with the CIA) that releasing the memo would do terrible harm to the classified sources and methods of the FBI.

A news organization. Arguing that the government not release information. Because it would damage the FBI's ability to conduct operations it isn't supposed to be allowed to conduct.

Let all that sink in.

 
I know libertarians are not crazy about FISA court (I assume this is what you're alluding to) and I share your concern regarding it's potential for abuse. However, I am not as naive as Henry Stimson in believing that espionage, and keeping certain things secret, is something we should dispense with because "gentlemen do not read each others' mail". If China and Russia and other countries are attacking our cyber infrastructure and other political or economic institutions, we should certainly engage in efforts to detect and thwart such meddling. The Church commission certainly found abuses back in the 70s like MK ULTRA, etc. and there's probably some bending of the rules going on today. But there is intelligence legitimately gathered whose release would endanger the source. Not only that, but when the intelligence comes from another nation (like Israel in the case of Trump's ignorant exposure of intelligence they provided, which he boasted to Russian ambassador Kislak about) and you haven't cleared this sort of exposure with them first, they're likely to be pissed, especially if their source turns up dead.

In short, pointing to excesses by intelligence and law enforcement agencies like the FBI and CIA is not a valid justification for saying that the government should always release any information it possesses.
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Posted: Feb 6, 2018 - 12:11am

The public can be pretty daft.
 

islander wrote:

Yeah, everyone looks really bad on this.  Both parties, and a lot of the players have swung so hard to a differing viewpoint because it is politically convenient it is astounding. Very few have any credibility left. I think this is what the Russians really wanted by interfering in elections (not just ours). 

 


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Posted: Feb 2, 2018 - 8:57am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 sirdroseph wrote:
Funny but also sad that everyone has their partisan knickers in such a wad that this much more important overall point is not even hitting home with the public.{#Sad}

This whole sordid affair drips irony. I heard the anchor on NPR this morning arguing with a member of the Intelligence Committee (a former intelligence officer with the CIA) that releasing the memo would do terrible harm to the classified sources and methods of the FBI.

A news organization. Arguing that the government not release information. Because it would damage the FBI's ability to conduct operations it isn't supposed to be allowed to conduct.

Let all that sink in.

 
Yeah, everyone looks really bad on this.  Both parties, and a lot of the players have swung so hard to a differing viewpoint because it is politically convenient it is astounding. Very few have any credibility left. I think this is what the Russians really wanted by interfering in elections (not just ours). 
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Posted: Feb 2, 2018 - 7:08am

 sirdroseph wrote:
Funny but also sad that everyone has their partisan knickers in such a wad that this much more important overall point is not even hitting home with the public.{#Sad}

This whole sordid affair drips irony. I heard the anchor on NPR this morning arguing with a member of the Intelligence Committee (a former intelligence officer with the CIA) that releasing the memo would do terrible harm to the classified sources and methods of the FBI.

A news organization. Arguing that the government not release information. Because it would damage the FBI's ability to conduct operations it isn't supposed to be allowed to conduct.

Let all that sink in.
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Posted: Feb 2, 2018 - 1:36am

 miamizsun wrote: 
Funny but also sad that everyone has their partisan knickers in such a wad that this much more important overall point is not even hitting home with the public.{#Sad}
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Posted: Feb 1, 2018 - 6:13pm

https://www.vox.com/2018/2/1/16956422/numes-memo-release-fbi-trump
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Posted: Feb 1, 2018 - 6:08pm

from the onion...

FBI Warns Republican Memo Could Undermine Faith In Massive, Unaccountable Government Secret Agencies


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Posted: Nov 1, 2017 - 10:04am

leviticus
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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 - 11:31am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

:ooh:

 




I love Death Wish coffee, don't drink that cold shit though. lol
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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 - 11:24am

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:ooh:
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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 - 8:02am

Death Wish Coffee recalls its Nitro Cold Brew over risk of deadly botulin toxin
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Posted: May 5, 2017 - 7:52am

Donald Trump Praises Australia’s Universal Health Care System


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Posted: Apr 10, 2017 - 2:56pm

21st Century Fox, whose News Division dismissed Trump's "pussy grabbing" comments as harmless "locker room talk", uses the tape in Sexual Harrassment Training seminars 
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Posted: Apr 10, 2017 - 1:40pm

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Posted: Apr 10, 2017 - 1:39pm


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Posted: Mar 1, 2017 - 11:05am

sleep help
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Posted: Jan 11, 2017 - 12:43pm

irony:

I get calls (just got one not more than 5 minutes ago) looking for someone that has never lived at this address or been associated with this phone number on my SA home phone (a number that I don't give to anyone ever and the only calls I get on it are marketers).  So, blame the information sellers and the skiptracers who go back ten years to make connections based on shared addresses, not me.

...moved on...
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Posted: Nov 7, 2016 - 1:08pm

sliding door
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Posted: Aug 18, 2016 - 11:06am

 Sean-E-Sean wrote:

I didn't even click but *laughing*


Let me help with that.

 
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