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Posted: Feb 28, 2015 - 3:39pm

 ScottN wrote:

Starbucks has made over-roasting their signature.  Millions of peeps were introduced to espresso never knowing there are alternative tastes to a "little burnt coffee blended into too much milk".  Kind of like drinking Korbel and thinking it was champagne...until you taste the real thing.
 
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Posted: Feb 28, 2015 - 2:55pm

 Steely_D wrote:
Damn you all. It's been years since I had a home roaster but I just ordered one. Life is too short to drink burned coffee (I'm looking at you, Starbucks)

 
Starbucks has made over-roasting their signature.  Millions of peeps were introduced to espresso never knowing there are alternative tastes to a "little burnt coffee blended into too much milk".  Kind of like drinking Korbel and thinking it was champagne...until you taste the real thing.


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Posted: Feb 28, 2015 - 2:38pm

Damn you all. It's been years since I had a home roaster but I just ordered one. Life is too short to drink burned coffee (I'm looking at you, Starbucks)
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Posted: Feb 28, 2015 - 11:45am

 islander wrote:

Unless you are Catholic.

 
Still okay as long as you confess and say your hail Marys'. 
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Posted: Feb 28, 2015 - 11:38am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

If you like it, you're doing it right.

 
Unless you are Catholic.
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Posted: Feb 28, 2015 - 11:22am

it's time
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Posted: Feb 28, 2015 - 11:17am

 kurtster wrote:
 
 
If you like it, you're doing it right.
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Posted: Feb 28, 2015 - 10:01am

 kurtster wrote:

Here, the coffee section in our primary g store is about 40' to 50' with all but 3 shelves of about 5' each devoted to your basic brand name coffees in the small 12 oz and 34 oz sizes.  The rest is mostly K cups and some, but not many bags of various higher end whole and ground beans, I shit you not.

I guess what I'm getting at is that coffee seems to becoming a luxury item.  I / we go through about 2 pots (1 gallon) a day using a $20 Black and Decker unit using unbleached filters and distilled water.  There is definitely a taste difference between bleached and unbleached and distilled and tap water.  One can make some damn fine basic predictable coffee using this kind of cheap simple stuff.   I do enjoy a good medium roast.  I drink it all day long, which is why the half caff.  It still has some body to it and I don't get wired.

But yeah, coffee seems to be headed into the luxury category with $100 brewers and 70¢ cartridges.  Have you ever taken a K cup apart ?  If there is more than a teaspoon of coffee inside there, that's a lot.  When a 34 oz jug of Folger's or Maxwell house averages $10 to $13 while the wholesale bag price of green beans is under $1.50 lb, there is too much bs added to the price.  The wholesale price is little changed over the past 40 years, yet the retail has gone up 5 fold.

I did drive a coffee / sandwich truck for 10 years back in the late 70's and early 80's making 4 and 8 gallon batches at a time.  The recipe was simple.  1 lb per 4 gallons of water.  I would typically make 8 gallons initially before heading out.  I made it differently from most all the other drivers.  I would draw clear water @ 180 to 190 degrees from the water jacket and pour fresh water through, one gallon at a time.  I would then refill the water jacket with hot water, heat it up to about 200 degrees and turn it off.  No flame or heat on the coffee, the jacket kept it hot the rest of the day so the coffee was still pretty good at 2 pm even though it was made at 6 am.  Most everyone else would simply draw it from the urn and run it through over and over again until they thought it was done and keep the heat on most of the day.  I also used paper filters back then too, when most drivers used a cloth filter.  Paper is the best, it keeps sediments out and traps a lot of the oils which makes it bitter in a short amount of time.

One of the guys in the vending machine division taught me that the best yield is from the finest grind.  The more exposed surface area of the bean the stronger the brew.  That is what brought about the idea of flaked beans.  The vending machine grind was basically a powder and if a machine was kept clean and tidy, they could make a good cup of coffee.  The other factor is how fast the water went through the grind.  There is an optimal length of time just as there is an optimal temp (180 ish degrees).  A little known fact is that instant coffee will taste way better when you use water at 180 degrees instead of at 212 boiling and for the same reasons as fresh brewed.  Maybe SFW can support some of this.  Lastly, I think coffee tastes better when a bigger batch / pot is made rather than one cup at a time.  And then there are the grinders, with the no heat burr grinders the best.

Done, cheers an all ... 

 

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 Yes but there was that little  " (dragging of images into post editor is not allowed) "  message.   It's sort of misleading as it is not actually dragging and dropping that is the problem but rather images that use the 'src="data:(monstrously long text encoded picture data)'  as opposed to the 'src="http://(short little server and file name)' format.  It does not actually detect the dragging and dropping but is instead supposed to see the  bad format no mater how it gets there.


Oh, and I get flagged for long string of data error!  
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Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 8:33pm

 Steely_D wrote:
Half the price you pay in the grocery stores, fresher, roasted the way you want it.

No excuses. 

But use a burr grinder for best flavor.

 
Thanks.  Bookmarked for future reference.
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Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 8:14pm

Half the price you pay in the grocery stores, fresher, roasted the way you want it.

No excuses. 

But use a burr grinder for best flavor.
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Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 8:11pm

 islander wrote:

that's odd, there was no image there.

anyway: Sheesh, here in coffeeland we can get dozens of varieties from any number of brands at the grocery, or you can go to any one of the several roasters on the way to and from the grocery. There are a few K-cups on the shelf, but those mostly come by mail order. Yeah, it's more than a $0.50 / cup, but it's good. We also have Vivace, which is quite simply the best coffee you can get. 

 
Here, the coffee section in our primary g store is about 40' to 50' with all but 3 shelves of about 5' each devoted to your basic brand name coffees in the small 12 oz and 34 oz sizes.  The rest is mostly K cups and some, but not many bags of various higher end whole and ground beans, I shit you not.

I guess what I'm getting at is that coffee seems to becoming a luxury item.  I / we go through about 2 pots (1 gallon) a day using a $20 Black and Decker unit using unbleached filters and distilled water.  There is definitely a taste difference between bleached and unbleached and distilled and tap water.  One can make some damn fine basic predictable coffee using this kind of cheap simple stuff.   I do enjoy a good medium roast.  I drink it all day long, which is why the half caff.  It still has some body to it and I don't get wired.

But yeah, coffee seems to be headed into the luxury category with $100 brewers and 70¢ cartridges.  Have you ever taken a K cup apart ?  If there is more than a teaspoon of coffee inside there, that's a lot.  When a 34 oz jug of Folger's or Maxwell house averages $10 to $13 while the wholesale bag price of green beans is under $1.50 lb, there is too much bs added to the price.  The wholesale price is little changed over the past 40 years, yet the retail has gone up 5 fold.

I did drive a coffee / sandwich truck for 10 years back in the late 70's and early 80's making 4 and 8 gallon batches at a time.  The recipe was simple.  1 lb per 4 gallons of water.  I would typically make 8 gallons initially before heading out.  I made it differently from most all the other drivers.  I would draw clear water @ 180 to 190 degrees from the water jacket and pour fresh water through, one gallon at a time.  I would then refill the water jacket with hot water, heat it up to about 200 degrees and turn it off.  No flame or heat on the coffee, the jacket kept it hot the rest of the day so the coffee was still pretty good at 2 pm even though it was made at 6 am.  Most everyone else would simply draw it from the urn and run it through over and over again until they thought it was done and keep the heat on most of the day.  I also used paper filters back then too, when most drivers used a cloth filter.  Paper is the best, it keeps sediments out and traps a lot of the oils which makes it bitter in a short amount of time.

One of the guys in the vending machine division taught me that the best yield is from the finest grind.  The more exposed surface area of the bean the stronger the brew.  That is what brought about the idea of flaked beans.  The vending machine grind was basically a powder and if a machine was kept clean and tidy, they could make a good cup of coffee.  The other factor is how fast the water went through the grind.  There is an optimal length of time just as there is an optimal temp (180 ish degrees).  A little known fact is that instant coffee will taste way better when you use water at 180 degrees instead of at 212 boiling and for the same reasons as fresh brewed.  Maybe SFW can support some of this.  Lastly, I think coffee tastes better when a bigger batch / pot is made rather than one cup at a time.  And then there are the grinders, with the no heat burr grinders the best.

Done, cheers an all ... 
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Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 4:36pm

 islander wrote:

that's odd, there was no image there.

 
  

 Yes but there was that little  " (dragging of images into post editor is not allowed) "  message.   It's sort of misleading as it is not actually dragging and dropping that is the problem but rather images that use the 'src="data:(monstrously long text encoded picture data)'  as opposed to the 'src="http://(short little server and file name)' format.  It does not actually detect the dragging and dropping but is instead supposed to see the  bad format no mater how it gets there. It is apparently not working as some of the bad format images are still getting through and I am about to tell Bill in the bug thread.  The message I don't think shows up until you hit submit or preview so it probably looked all right until you posted it.
 
 
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Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 3:22pm

 kurtster wrote:
easy for you to say ...
 


 
that's odd, there was no image there.

anyway: Sheesh, here in coffeeland we can get dozens of varieties from any number of brands at the grocery, or you can go to any one of the several roasters on the way to and from the grocery. There are a few K-cups on the shelf, but those mostly come by mail order. Yeah, it's more than a $0.50 / cup, but it's good. We also have Vivace, which is quite simply the best coffee you can get. 
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Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 3:08pm


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Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 2:53pm

 kurtster wrote:

I used to mix coffee that way some 30 years ago.  Then Hill's Bros came out with their Perfect Balance half caff and that was it.  I really did like Hill's before it got bought up by Sara Lee and then sold off three times since to lord know's who these days. It was the Bay Area home brew.  I remember driving by the roasters on the way to Candlestick and smelling the aroma as we drove by.  Them Folger's lived farther down the penisula and I never did like Mrs. Olsen.  Can't get it here anymore anyway now.  Done the Kirkland, its ok.  But we belong to Sam's not Costco and Sam's stuff is, well {#Stop}.  So we adapted to Folger's about 3 years ago, cuz Maxwell House is 

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Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 2:41pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

These may be your two most diametrically-opposed statements in one post ever.

Mix your own half-caf. A lot of people find that even decaf gives them what they're after. Maybe it's something other than caffeine, like the heat, that gets them going, or maybe there's always a trace of caffeine. But anyway, A scoop from this can, a scoop from that... I'll bet you find you settle at about 1/4 full caff, the rest decaf. YMMV.

Go to Costco and get their Kirkland ground coffee. For starters, their cans are a full 3#, not 32–38 oz. like Folgers and Maxwell House have gone to. Plus it's a lot better.  

 
I used to mix coffee that way some 30 years ago.  Then Hill's Bros came out with their Perfect Balance half caff and that was it.  I really did like Hill's before it got bought up by Sara Lee and then sold off three times since to lord know's who these days. It was the Bay Area home brew.  I remember driving by the roasters on the way to Candlestick and smelling the aroma as we drove by.  Them Folger's lived farther down the penisula and I never did like Mrs. Olsen.  Can't get it here anymore anyway now.  Done the Kirkland, its ok.  But we belong to Sam's not Costco and Sam's stuff is, well {#Stop}.  So we adapted to Folger's about 3 years ago, cuz Maxwell House is {#Stop}, too.

Like I mentioned, been drinking half caff for at least 30 years.  50 / 50 is the mix.  At any rate, its getting to the point where all's you can find in the grocery store now are K cups.  The grinders for the bulk stuff are all gone and most of the bulk stuff is gone, too.

I have a re loadable K cup thingy for work, but now the new machines are rigged so that your friggin K cup has to have a chip in them to work. 

Its bad I tell you ...
 


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Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 2:18pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

These may be your two most diametrically-opposed statements in one post ever.

Mix your own half-caf. A lot of people find that even decaf gives them what they're after. Maybe it's something other than caffeine, like the heat, that gets them going, or maybe there's always a trace of caffeine. But anyway, A scoop from this can, a scoop from that... I'll bet you find you settle at about 1/4 full caff, the rest decaf. YMMV.

Go to Costco and get their Kirkland ground coffee. For starters, their cans are a full 3#, not 32–38 oz. like Folgers and Maxwell House have gone to. Plus it's a lot better.  

 
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Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 2:17pm

life is too short to drink  folgers. splurge a little.


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Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 2:16pm

 kurtster wrote:
folger's half caff.  

B) if you don't drink coffee black, you shouldn't be allowed to make it, cuz your just guessing about what its supposed to taste like.

 
These may be your two most diametrically-opposed statements in one post ever.

Mix your own half-caf. A lot of people find that even decaf gives them what they're after. Maybe it's something other than caffeine, like the heat, that gets them going, or maybe there's always a trace of caffeine. But anyway, A scoop from this can, a scoop from that... I'll bet you find you settle at about 1/4 full caff, the rest decaf. YMMV.

Go to Costco and get their Kirkland ground coffee. For starters, their cans are a full 3#, not 32–38 oz. like Folgers and Maxwell House have gone to. Plus it's a lot better.  
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Posted: Feb 27, 2015 - 2:00pm

I don't know about anywhere else on this planet, but up here in the frozen north, its getting really hard to find basic canned coffee, like my flippen folger's half caff.  Its shelves full of K cup crap now and designer $10 lb. stuff.  {#Fire}  I ain't paying 70¢ per cup at home.

Iffen y'all think I'm nutz now, you sure as hell don't want me drinking any high test all the time. 

OBTW, I firmly believe two things.  

A) there is no life worth living without coffee.

B) if you don't drink coffee black, you shouldn't be allowed to make it, cuz your just guessing about what its supposed to taste like.

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