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Posted: Jun 23, 2018 - 2:43pm

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know! I always wondered how they imagined the one-color printing would work out.

 
It's very ink-centric. Think of the poor paper, too!
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Posted: Jun 23, 2018 - 7:31am

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Right, but it was photocopiers that defined the image on the right as "black & white" and the one in the middle as "gray" and really, it makes sense.  
 
I'm sitting here thinking dumb stuff but when photography was first invented, I'm sure they didn't refer to black and white or monochrome or grayscale. When color photography was developed, tho, they did already use the black & white terminology. So that leaves printers, again, to be the ones providing the lingo. They had duotones and fancy-ish ways to print a photo so a simple halftone run using the same ink as the rest of the job... black & white. 

 
Yeah, it was probably just called photography for a long time, but there were monochromatic photos - sepia and cyanotype, etc.  It's.sort of like how the term "acoustic guitar" wasn't used until after electric guitars were developed — they were just "guitars" before then.
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Posted: Jun 23, 2018 - 7:18am

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Don't forget that back when printers would offer prices for one-color, two-color, or full-color printing, roughly 10% of adults would look at the 2-color column to price their black and white printing.

 
Hello...That is two colors. {#Lol}

 
know! I always wondered how they imagined the one-color printing would work out.
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Posted: Jun 23, 2018 - 7:17am

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Yeah, the reason I had surmised that the change in terminology came from computer/graphics software language is because of that "no shades of gray" concept.  If you convert or "enhance" an image to monochrome or grey scale in most software you get and image which was customarily called black-and-white, but if you convert it to B&W you get a stencil-or-rubber-stamp-like image.  It was like using the old stat cameras with or without the halftone screening.
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Like Buzz said, either term works, I just prefer B&W because I'm old too I guess.  As long as they don't start calling black-and-white movies "monochromatic"...

 
Right, but it was photocopiers that defined the image on the right as "black & white" and the one in the middle as "gray" and really, it makes sense.  
 
I'm sitting here thinking dumb stuff but when photography was first invented, I'm sure they didn't refer to black and white or monochrome or grayscale. When color photography was developed, tho, they did already use the black & white terminology. So that leaves printers, again, to be the ones providing the lingo. They had duotones and fancy-ish ways to print a photo so a simple halftone run using the same ink as the rest of the job... black & white. 
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Posted: Jun 23, 2018 - 7:11am

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Don't forget that back when printers would offer prices for one-color, two-color, or full-color printing, roughly 10% of adults would look at the 2-color column to price their black and white printing.

 
Hello...That is two colors. {#Lol}
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Posted: Jun 23, 2018 - 7:07am

Don't forget that back when printers would offer prices for one-color, two-color, or full-color printing, roughly 10% of adults would look at the 2-color column to price their black and white printing.
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Posted: Jun 23, 2018 - 7:03am

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Yes. "Monochromatic" can be sepia or a "monotone" but I usually think of subjects being monochromatic, like a zebra or half of our cats. Or a book or portfolio, if the author or painter never really strays from one subject. But I blame photocopiers for ruining the term "black & white" so that to many people, it means "shitty bitmap" "no shades of gray." So I suppose instructors and authors had to appropriate "monochrome" so they could avoid the now-misleading black and white term.
 
Yeah, the reason I had theorized that the change in terminology came from computer/graphics software language is because of that "no shades of gray" concept.  If you convert or "enhance" an image to monochrome or grey scale in most software you get and image which was customarily called black-and-white, but if you convert it to B&W you get a stencil-or-rubber-stamp-like image.  It was like using the old stat cameras with or without the halftone screening.
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Like Buzz said, either term works, I just prefer B&W because I'm old too I guess.  As long as they don't start calling black-and-white movies "monochromatic"...
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Posted: Jun 23, 2018 - 6:42am

I prefer black and white to monochrome. Why? Just because.

I also occasionally still say "ASA". I'm really old. 

According to Wiki, you can use either term. 
 

For an image, the term monochrome is usually taken to mean the same as black and white or, more likely, grayscale, but may also be used to refer to other combinations containing only tones of a single color, such as green-and-white or green-and-red. It may also refer to sepia displaying tones from light tan to dark brown or cyanotype("blueprint") images, and early photographic methods such as daguerreotypesambrotypes, and tintypes, each of which may be used to produce a monochromatic image.

In computing, monochrome has two meanings:

  • it may mean having only one color which is either on or off (also known as a binary image),
  • allowing shades of that color.

monochrome computer display is able to display only a single color, often green, amber, red or white, and often also shades of that color.

In film photography, monochrome is typically the use of black-and-white film. Originally, all photography was done in monochrome. Although color photography was possible even in the late 19th century, easily used color films, such as Kodachrome, were not available until the mid-1930s.

 
Monochrome anaglyph imagestereogram rendered in red and cyan; 3d glasses red cyan.svg 3D red cyan glasses are recommended to view this image correctly.

In digital photography, monochrome is the capture of only shades of black by the sensor, or by post-processing a color image to present only the perceived brightness by combining the values of multiple channels (usually red, blue, and green). The weighting of individual channels may be selected to achieve a desired artistic effect; if only the red channel is selected by the weighting then the effect will be similar to that of using a red filter on panchromatic film. If the red channel is eliminated and the green and blue combined then the effect will be similar to that of orthochromatic film or the use of a cyan filter on panchromatic film. The selection of weighting thus allows a wide range of artistic expression in the final monochromatic image.

For production of an anaglyph image the original color stereogram source may first be reduced to monochrome in order to simplify the rendering of the image. This is sometimes required in cases where a color image would render in a confusing manner given the colors and patterns present in the source image and the selection filters used (typically red and its complementcyan).<3>

 
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Posted: Jun 23, 2018 - 6:01am

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I didn't mean my post as some sort of objection to the term or anything, it's just something I noticed the past few years.  Some sites I've seen seem to refer to "black-and-white" as being stuff shot on film, while "monochrome" seems to be used more for digital images.  Black & white does also seem to suggest an image with more contrast, as you mentioned.  I doubt there are any rules about it and the terms are essentially interchangeable, though maybe some galleries make distinctions.  Because I'm a painter, "monochromatic" has a different connotation to me - usually implying shades of a single color - and that's probably why the use of the term for a genre of photography (instead of a description) has made me curious.

 
Yes. "Monochromatic" can be sepia or a "monotone" but I usually think of subjects being monochromatic, like a zebra or half of our cats. Or a book or portfolio, if the author or painter never really strays from one subject. But I blame photocopiers for ruining the term "black & white" so that to many people, it means "shitty bitmap" "no shades of gray." So I suppose instructors and authors had to appropriate "monochrome" so they could avoid the now-misleading black and white term.
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Posted: Jun 23, 2018 - 3:54am

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I don't know why I chose that term this time, I have also used the term black and white. I guess I was trying to express that shades of gray were involved, while black and white reminds me of something with extreme contrast.

 
I didn't mean my post as some sort of objection to the term or anything, it's just something I noticed the past few years.  Some sites I've seen seem to refer to "black-and-white" as being stuff shot on film, while "monochrome" seems to be used more for digital images.  Black & white does also seem to suggest an image with more contrast, as you mentioned.  I doubt there are any rules about it and the terms are essentially interchangeable, though maybe some galleries make distinctions.  Because I'm a painter, "monochromatic" has a different connotation to me - usually implying shades of a single color - and that's probably why the use of the term for a genre of photography (instead of a description) has made me curious.
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Posted: Jun 22, 2018 - 11:53pm

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I don't know why I chose that term this time, I have also used the term black and white. I guess I was trying to express that shades of gray were involved, while black and white reminds me of something with extreme contrast.

 
Like this logic :-)
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Posted: Jun 22, 2018 - 11:52pm

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Kodachrome was the first colour slide film. It had brilliant reds but was very unforgiving of under-exposure. My parents' wedding pictures are Kodachrome and I have scanned them but most are pretty far gone. Here's one from the reception that I have worked on now and then. I think I got rid of most of the scratches and dust, anyway.

 
Nice! Treasures!

Reminds me Agfa was blueish? Ach same thing with nowadays various sensors technologies.

I scanned in all my dad's slides. Tedious work and distributed them raw (still jpeg though) to my siblings and offspring (that's an advantage of digital). Now only my prints to go, but haven't found a decent and workable workflow yet (and time).
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Posted: Jun 22, 2018 - 9:50pm

 Proclivities wrote:

Yes, there often is - it can make it seem sort of timeless.  Very nice photo.
  I was wondering when (or why) did the term "monochrome" become more commonly used than "black-and-white" in photography?  I guess it's from computer graphics/image editing terminology, sort of how typefaces are more often called fonts.  I recently thought about it when I bought a roll of Tri-X (for the first time in years); it still says "Black & White" on the labeling.  In one way "monochrome" is more precise, in another ways it's more general.

 
I don't know why I chose that term this time, I have also used the term black and white. I guess I was trying to express that shades of gray were involved, while black and white reminds me of something with extreme contrast.
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Posted: Jun 22, 2018 - 8:10pm

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Yes, there often is - it can make it seem sort of timeless.  Very nice photo.
  I was wondering when (or why) did the term "monochrome" become more commonly used than "black-and-white" in photography?  I guess it's from computer graphics/image editing terminology, sort of how typefaces are more often called fonts.  I recently thought about it when I bought a roll of Tri-X (for the first time in years); it still says "Black & White" on the labeling.  In one way "monochrome" is more precise, in another ways it's more general.

 
If I'm not mistaken Kodak had a colour film called Kodachrome long before modern computer graphics. There was Fujichrome and Agfachrome as well. A kind of colour blindness is called monochromacy. So to me this suggests that our computer graphics friends borrowed the term :-)

 
Kodachrome was the first colour slide film. It had brilliant reds but was very unforgiving of under-exposure. My parents' wedding pictures are Kodachrome and I have scanned them but most are pretty far gone. Here's one from the reception that I have worked on now and then. I think I got rid of most of the scratches and dust, anyway.
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Posted: Jun 22, 2018 - 3:00pm

 Proclivities wrote:

Yes, there often is - it can make it seem sort of timeless.  Very nice photo.
  I was wondering when (or why) did the term "monochrome" become more commonly used than "black-and-white" in photography?  I guess it's from computer graphics/image editing terminology, sort of how typefaces are more often called fonts.  I recently thought about it when I bought a roll of Tri-X (for the first time in years); it still says "Black & White" on the labeling.  In one way "monochrome" is more precise, in another ways it's more general.

 
If I'm not mistaken Kodak had a colour film called Kodachrome long before modern computer graphics. There was Fujichrome and Agfachrome as well. A kind of colour blindness is called monochromacy. So to me this suggests that our computer graphics friends borrowed the term :-)


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Posted: Jun 22, 2018 - 12:34pm

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There is something artistic about industrial subjects in monochrome.

 
Yes, there often is - it can make it seem sort of timeless.  Very nice photo.
  I was wondering when (or why) did the term "monochrome" become more commonly used than "black-and-white" in photography?  I guess it's from computer graphics/image editing terminology, sort of how typefaces are more often called fonts.  I recently thought about it when I bought a roll of Tri-X (for the first time in years); it still says "Black & White" on the labeling.  In one way "monochrome" is more precise, in another ways it's more general.
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Posted: Jun 22, 2018 - 12:01pm

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There is something artistic about industrial subjects in monochrome.

 
True-but that "artistic" didn't come from me.
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Posted: Jun 16, 2018 - 11:40am

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I like the beads of water on the leaf. Nice!
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Posted: Jun 16, 2018 - 11:39am

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There is something artistic about industrial subjects in monochrome.
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