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Posted: Jan 3, 2018 - 7:03am

 miamizsun wrote:

i think that force, threat of violence and coercion are always going to produce negative results

especially long term

it's why the industry is suffering now
 
Some places seem to have it figured out....
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Posted: Jan 3, 2018 - 6:50am

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Health care is one of three things that should never be for-profit, the others being education and incarceration.

 
i think that force, threat of violence and coercion are always going to produce negative results

especially long term

it's why the industry is suffering now

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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 5:43pm

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Health care is one of three things that should never be for-profit, the others being education and incarceration.

 
I'd add parks but, yeah.
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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 4:56pm

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Has anyone mentioned how screwed up your medical system is?

 
Well Trump did mention it,


 
So Ryan came up with a plan to unscrew it:


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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 4:44pm

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Has anyone mentioned how screwed up your medical system is?

Insurance is supposed to increase your security. If it does not, then the effects ripple outward to all aspects of society. So you can't afford the risk of skiing? Then you don't get the mental health and physical benefits of skiing. The resorts lose business, have to increase their insurance and cost everyone else money. Society ultimately spends money on some crappy level of care for broken people.

Not that the system here is all puppy-dog tails, but I cannot fathom why this is a fight the Republicans wanted.

 
Health care is one of three things that should never be for-profit, the others being education and incarceration.
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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 4:02pm

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I was ski patrolling yesterday and a 10-year-old boy was reported having a possible broken leg. He had surprised a big rock that was just under the powder and it gave him a nasty bruise on his upper thigh. But before we could determine that, we had to extricate him from a creek bed, get him into the toboggan, into the aid room, ask a ton of questions of him and his mom, who'd seen us from the chairlift working on him and followed us down. In filling out the paperwork, we get a yes/no to "do you have insurance?" and she said of course, and I could tell she was running the math of deductibles and leg breaks etc. This is not a poor family. They're doing fine, but that math is always looming. Eventually, I pronounced it to be a whopper of a bruise but in my opinion nothing broken, and they could probably skip the X-ray until/unless the boy wasn't able to walk on it or if circulation etc. became an issue. It was at this point the mom realized she could avoid all medical expenses except for ME, and was thinking this was going to cost like an ambulance ride and suddenly she wasn't even going to meet deductible and so it would be a $1000 bill for a bruised butt. She wasn't angry but was certainly going thru that "well there goes a vacation to someplace warm" phase. When I realized what she was getting at, I gave her a little speech about how the National Ski Patrol is at its core, a volunteer organization, she was so relieved. 
 
I'm not saying all medical services should be free, but for a truly minor injury to be so financially frightening is just not right. The mom was unable to properly support her child because she was having a little internal freakout about how she was going to pay for the day.

 
Has anyone mentioned how screwed up your medical system is?

Insurance is supposed to increase your security. If it does not, then the effects ripple outward to all aspects of society. So you can't afford the risk of skiing? Then you don't get the mental health and physical benefits of skiing. The resorts lose business, have to increase their insurance and cost everyone else money. Society ultimately spends money on some crappy level of care for broken people.

Not that the system here is all puppy-dog tails, but I cannot fathom why this is a fight the Republicans wanted.
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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 3:56pm

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We're not allowed to refer to it as the trauma park anymore. Pfft. Lawyers.

 
Terrapin Station?
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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 3:41pm

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Followed my daughter into the terrain park a couple of years ago. 

 
We're not allowed to refer to it as the trauma park anymore. Pfft. Lawyers.
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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 2:17pm

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Of course, when I hit the ground, dislocated the shoulder and crushed the socket and top of the humerus, there was no one around. I maneuvered it back in and headed down and got back on the lift.

Wife was concerned so I demonstrated the stability test - which I failed and it popped out on the lift.

Worst part: getting home, seeing the Orthopod, and hearing "We don't operate on people your age..." (But he was right. It took months but I rehabbed nicely.) 

 
 
Followed my daughter into the terrain park a couple of years ago. Got off a nice wide straight box, saw a 12 inch diameter steel pipe "feature" just below me, and decided to have a go at it without thinking through exactly where I wanted to land on it, what posture and speed I should have, etc. One split second after planting my skis on the upper end of the pipe, I found myself on the snow next to the pipe with a baffled look on my face and a dull pain in my shoulder. 

I ended up with a mashed humerus which snapped about 2 inches from the head, and the newly severed bone ends compressed into each other. I was fortunate I didn't damage the socket or dislocate it.

That foolish decision cost me about four months of therapy, took about a year to get full range of motion back. 


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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 11:05am

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Mother Fletcher that sounds painful. 

 
There was this one day where it flared and I was in the office with an Orthopod I'd known for twenty years and I just started crying uncontrollably in front of him. Talk about seeing someone's eyes get REALLY WIDE...
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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 10:34am

 Steely_D wrote:

Of course, when I hit the ground, dislocated the shoulder and crushed the socket and top of the humerus, there was no one around. I maneuvered it back in and headed down and got back on the lift.

Wife was concerned so I demonstrated the stability test - which I failed and it popped out on the lift.

Worst part: getting home, seeing the Orthopod, and hearing "We don't operate on people your age..." (But he was right. It took months but I rehabbed nicely.) 

 
Mother Fletcher that sounds painful. 
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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 10:21am

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Sounds like that's sort of what they did there. I've seen lots of skiers stop at the scene of a 'yard sale' to make sure they don't need to run down and get Patrol. Once I stayed with a lady who'd dislocated her shoulder while my buddy went for help. I'd hope if I ever ate it that badly somebody would notice...

 
Of course, when I hit the ground, dislocated the shoulder and crushed the socket and top of the humerus, there was no one around. I maneuvered it back in and headed down and got back on the lift.

Wife was concerned so I demonstrated the stability test - which I failed and it popped out on the lift.

Worst part: getting home, seeing the Orthopod, and hearing "We don't operate on people your age..." (But he was right. It took months but I rehabbed nicely.) 
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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 10:19am

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definitely.

There is no CHIP anymore (I think as of April,) according to the new health care bill. I'm expecting that we're going to hear a lot of these stories in the coming months.



 
This family was well out of the CHIP category, income-wise, but who knows what their premiums are? Could be a family history etc. but hell, just contributing to your deductible on January 1 is kind of a sucky way to start the year
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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 10:18am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I was ski patrolling yesterday and a 10-year-old boy was reported having a possible broken leg. He had surprised a big rock that was just under the powder and it gave him a nasty bruise on his upper thigh. But before we could determine that, we had to extricate him from a creek bed, get him into the toboggan, into the aid room, ask a ton of questions of him and his mom, who'd seen us from the chairlift working on him and followed us down. In filling out the paperwork, we get a yes/no to "do you have insurance?" and she said of course, and I could tell she was running the math of deductibles and leg breaks etc. This is not a poor family. They're doing fine, but that math is always looming. Eventually, I pronounced it to be a whopper of a bruise but in my opinion nothing broken, and they could probably skip the X-ray until/unless the boy wasn't able to walk on it or if circulation etc. became an issue. It was at this point the mom realized she could avoid all medical expenses except for ME, and was thinking this was going to cost like an ambulance ride and suddenly she wasn't even going to meet deductible and so it would be a $1000 bill for a bruised butt. She wasn't angry but was certainly going thru that "well there goes a vacation to someplace warm" phase. When I realized what she was getting at, I gave her a little speech about how the National Ski Patrol is at its core, a volunteer organization, she was so relieved. 
 
I'm not saying all medical services should be free, but for a truly minor injury to be so financially frightening is just not right. The mom was unable to properly support her child because she was having a little internal freakout about how she was going to pay for the day.

 
I understand completely and I can almost bet that was very relieving news for her.  Pretty sad when it starts to effect where and what you do on vacation with your kids.  I'm glad the boy is ok and the mother can rest easy knowing her vacation is not going to cause them bankruptcy.  Something has to give.  This is just not right at all.{#Sad}.  I will be joining the women's march again in 2018 in LA.  It's my only way of standing up and saying HEY I matter to this administration.
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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 10:16am

 cc_rider wrote:

Sounds like that's sort of what they did there. I've seen lots of skiers stop at the scene of a 'yard sale' to make sure they don't need to run down and get Patrol. Once I stayed with a lady who'd dislocated her shoulder while my buddy went for help. I'd hope if I ever ate it that badly somebody would notice...

 
There's no cell service up where we are, so no one can really jump the gun and call (altho if someone had called 911, nobody pays until the patient is loaded in— If the EMTs determine it's not something needing transport, nobody gets charged). This kid had the good sense to biff it right under the chairlift, so there were plenty of people reporting his predicament.
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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 9:58am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Poor rock was just sittin' there out of the way, having a snooze. 

If it had been a bike accident and he was in the street, someone would have called 911.

 
Sounds like that's sort of what they did there. I've seen lots of skiers stop at the scene of a 'yard sale' to make sure they don't need to run down and get Patrol. Once I stayed with a lady who'd dislocated her shoulder while my buddy went for help. I'd hope if I ever ate it that badly somebody would notice...
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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 9:57am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Poor rock was just sittin' there out of the way, having a snooze. 

If it had been a bike accident and he was in the street, someone would have called 911.

 
definitely.

There is no CHIP anymore (I think as of April,) according to the new health care bill. I'm expecting that we're going to hear a lot of these stories in the coming months.


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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 9:52am

 cc_rider wrote:
 Typical. Damn rocks just do NOT pay attention to their surroundings. Glad the kid's gonna be okay, but what about the poor rock?
But yeah, to your point, it's terrible that something like a borken arm could potentially bankrupt a family. Unlikely that skiers would be that strapped, but still. Kids fall off bikes/skateboards every day.

 
Poor rock was just sittin' there out of the way, having a snooze. 

If it had been a bike accident and he was in the street, someone would have called 911.
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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 9:49am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I was ski patrolling yesterday and a 10-year-old boy was reported having a possible broken leg. He had surprised a big rock that was just under the powder and it gave him a nasty bruise on his upper thigh. But before we could determine that, we had to extricate him from a creek bed, get him into the toboggan, into the aid room, ask a ton of questions of him and his mom, who'd seen us from the chairlift working on him and followed us down. In filling out the paperwork, we get a yes/no to "do you have insurance?" and she said of course, and I could tell she was running the math of deductibles and leg breaks etc. This is not a poor family. They're doing fine, but that math is always looming. Eventually, I pronounced it to be a whopper of a bruise but in my opinion nothing broken, and they could probably skip the X-ray until/unless the boy wasn't able to walk on it or if circulation etc. became an issue. It was at this point the mom realized she could avoid all medical expenses except for ME, and was thinking this was going to cost like an ambulance ride and suddenly she wasn't even going to meet deductible and so it would be a $1000 bill for a bruised butt. She wasn't angry but was certainly going thru that "well there goes a vacation to someplace warm" phase. When I realized what she was getting at, I gave her a little speech about how the National Ski Patrol is at its core, a volunteer organization, she was so relieved. 
 
I'm not saying all medical services should be free, but for a truly minor injury to be so financially frightening is just not right. The mom was unable to properly support her child because she was having a little internal freakout about how she was going to pay for the day.

  Typical. Damn rocks just do NOT pay attention to their surroundings. Glad the kid's gonna be okay, but what about the poor rock?
But yeah, to your point, it's terrible that something like a borken arm could potentially bankrupt a family. Unlikely that skiers would be that strapped, but still. Kids fall off bikes/skateboards every day.


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Posted: Jan 2, 2018 - 9:18am

I was ski patrolling yesterday and a 10-year-old boy was reported having a possible broken leg. He had surprised a big rock that was just under the powder and it gave him a nasty bruise on his upper thigh. But before we could determine that, we had to extricate him from a creek bed, get him into the toboggan, into the aid room, ask a ton of questions of him and his mom, who'd seen us from the chairlift working on him and followed us down. In filling out the paperwork, we get a yes/no to "do you have insurance?" and she said of course, and I could tell she was running the math of deductibles and leg breaks etc. This is not a poor family. They're doing fine, but that math is always looming. Eventually, I pronounced it to be a whopper of a bruise but in my opinion nothing broken, and they could probably skip the X-ray until/unless the boy wasn't able to walk on it or if circulation etc. became an issue. It was at this point the mom realized she could avoid all medical expenses except for ME, and was thinking this was going to cost like an ambulance ride and suddenly she wasn't even going to meet deductible and so it would be a $1000 bill for a bruised butt. She wasn't angry but was certainly going thru that "well there goes a vacation to someplace warm" phase. When I realized what she was getting at, I gave her a little speech about how the National Ski Patrol is at its core, a volunteer organization, she was so relieved. 
 
I'm not saying all medical services should be free, but for a truly minor injury to be so financially frightening is just not right. The mom was unable to properly support her child because she was having a little internal freakout about how she was going to pay for the day.
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