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Posted: Jan 16, 2016 - 7:27am

"It is a commonplace that the history of civilization is largely the history of weapons. In particular, the connection between the discovery of gunpowder and the overthrow of feudalism by the bourgeoisie has been pointed out over and over again. And though I have no doubt exceptions can be brought forward, I think the following rule would be found generally true: that ages in which the dominant weapon is expensive or difficult to make will tend to be ages of despotism, whereas when the dominant weapon is cheap and simple, the common people have a chance. Thus, for example, tanks, battleships and bombing planes are inherently tyrannical weapons, while rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon—so long as there is no answer to it—gives claws to the weak."

George Orwell

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Posted: Jan 12, 2016 - 3:56pm

 buzz wrote:

do you like cats? do you have any?

 
I actually don't like cats much at all.

You? 
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Posted: Jan 12, 2016 - 7:10am

 floydoftherocks wrote:

LOL. What a clown show of the mentally ill this forum is...

 
do you like cats? do you have any?
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Posted: Jan 12, 2016 - 7:01am

 floydoftherocks wrote:

LOL. What a clown show of the mentally ill this forum is...

 
And we are truly grateful to you for volunteering to be the featured performer.
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Posted: Jan 12, 2016 - 6:51am

'you can keep your doctor'

'you can keep your plan'

IS is 'the JV team'

'this is not a plot to take away everyone's guns'

later ... 


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Posted: Jan 12, 2016 - 6:46am

 ErikX wrote:

Why are 80% of prisoners Christian while only .02% are atheists? 

"Atheists have their own moral compass that doesn't involve a holy book," Mehta wrote.

Another reason for the low representation of atheists in prison is that atheists tend to be well educated and have higher than average socio-economic status.

Prisoners tend to be less educated and poorer than the average American. This points out a flaw in American society, not in atheists' morality.

Holy books condemn and vilify atheists as terrible people, but 99.98% of U.S. federal prisoners committing crimes and going to prison are not atheists.

 - See more at:


 
LOL. What a clown show of the mentally ill this forum is...
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Posted: Jan 11, 2016 - 11:48am

 floydoftherocks wrote:
 
 
Umm yeah, OK, I'll definitely be nicer. Maybe "asshole at large" isn't obvious enough, I dunno...

FWIW, I find it incredibly depressing and sad to see leftism at work. It is my love of humanity that motivates my intolerance of leftism. 

IMO, all leftists would benefit from psychotherapy, as history (150 million dead) has shown that leftism is tyranny. Heck, there have been books written by psychiatrists that leftism is indeed a mental disorder. 

On a final note, are prisons full of republicans or democrats? {#Wink}  You don't have to answer that. 
 
Why are 80% of prisoners Christian while only .02% are atheists? 

"Atheists have their own moral compass that doesn't involve a holy book," Mehta wrote.

Another reason for the low representation of atheists in prison is that atheists tend to be well educated and have higher than average socio-economic status.

Prisoners tend to be less educated and poorer than the average American. This points out a flaw in American society, not in atheists' morality.

Holy books condemn and vilify atheists as terrible people, but 99.98% of U.S. federal prisoners committing crimes and going to prison are not atheists.

 - See more at:



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Posted: Jan 11, 2016 - 10:47am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 floydoftherocks wrote:
c) I LOVE you. {#Kiss}

And I mean it. Yet I could care less what you think of me. {#Moon}

There's a pretty big double standard on this forum, which I find endlessly amusing. Folks here will make a variety of nasty, elitist, fart-sniffing comments about Republicans (e.g. they're dumb, racist, etc.) or how democracies like Israel engage in so-called "ethnic cleansing." I find these comments to be the products of weak, uneducated minds.

Yet when I respond with facts (not silly, fart-sniffing opinions), those who have made such nasty, unfounded generalizations get SO offended, and that is pretty funny. {#Wink}

Hugs and kisses,
FotR

Floyd, I don't love you. Just gettin' that out of the way.

You've been hanging out at RP for a while, mostly dropping caustic comments on songs. Not sure how long you were lurking in the forum before jumping in with both feet, but you've had time (if not inclination) to get to know some of the people you're engaging with. Go click on the handle over there in the sidebar that says Lazy8.

Let's assume for the moment that you did that. Notice anything? I'm not like the others here. I'm here anyway. You'd think I'd be a natural ally. I'm not. And I need to explain why you're making it less likely that there will ever be more people who think like you here.

Most of the people who post here are leftish—you seem to have noticed that. Yay!!! Big gold star for perceptiveness!!!

That (besides snark and condescension) was affirmation. If you came here for that (in the sincere form) you've probably wandered down the wrong rabbit hole. It won't be forthcoming. But you don't need that 'cuz you're a grown-up, right? Which leads to a natural next question: why are you here?

Serious question. What do you hope to gain by mixing it up with people you hold in contempt? If you actually live in Frisco (as your profile implies) don't you have enough people within spitting distance already to sneer at, insult, and, well...spit on? What do you think you're accomplishing?

You didn't ask me (that's one of the things about forums: people tell you things you didn't ask them to. It's a feature, not a bug) but I'll tell you what I see: you're poisoning the water for the next conservative to wander in here.

The reason leftish hyperbole gets less push-back at RP is that it comes closer to what most of the people reading it believe, so it doesn't offend them. Might not represent how they feel about any particular thing, but they don't feel a need to correct every little insult to people they already don't like. This isn't evil, it's human. Think about the places/people you hang out in that are closer to what you believe. I'm going to go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you wouldn't agree that Obama is a Muslim jihadist who wants to sell the organs of the fetuses from all the white women he rapes,  but you probably wouldn't correct someone who said that in the company of like-minded folk. You might even enjoy a chuckle over the sheer in-your-facedness of such an obviously over-the-top statement, probably made just to piss off any stray Obama fans who wandered by. Whoever posted it may not actually, deep down, believe it but it feels good to say it now and again and get the warm fuzzy of affirmation. Or at least to get away with it.

If the audience were a more-representative sample of the human species that kind of thing would be seen as what it is: rude. Childish.

Now think about here. If you want to counter hyperbole with more hyperbole you aren't making the place more civil, you're just stepping in front of a urinal, pants down, and declaring it a pissing match. (See what I did there? That was hyperbole. An over-the-top statement that doesn't really advance my argument, it just adds vehemence and makes a well-reasoned response less likely by offending people who might put some thought into what they say. Felt good but probably took my case backward. I feel your pain.)

So what happens is that people who might agree with you (or at least defend you, or at least defend the value of having a competing opinion around) don't want to associate with the obnoxiousness. They know that if they just ignore you you'll eventually say something so offensive that the owners toss you out on your ass, and the people you're trying to prod will prod you right back until you do. And the taste you will leave in the collective mouths of the place will be bitter and nasty, and they will have one more confirmation of the their prejudices about people who don't think like they do.

You won't change any minds. You won't advance your cause. You'll lead those who might have been persuaded to agree with you (on something, on anything) to dismiss your position or any position like it out of hand: only assholes think like that. Like a dud artillery shell you get trenches reinforced without changing the lines of battle.

It's dinner time and I've already probably invested more in this post than it will yield. Gotta go. Peace out and all that. But think about it.



 
Umm yeah, OK, I'll definitely be nicer. Maybe "asshole at large" isn't obvious enough, I dunno...

FWIW, I find it incredibly depressing and sad to see leftism at work. It is my love of humanity that motivates my intolerance of leftism. 

IMO, all leftists would benefit from psychotherapy, as history (150 million dead) has shown that leftism is tyranny. Heck, there have been books written by psychiatrists that leftism is indeed a mental disorder. 

On a final note, are prisons full of republicans or democrats? {#Wink}  You don't have to answer that. 
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Posted: Jan 8, 2016 - 11:13pm

One of my 'outlaws' is recently married and expecting so I joked that a good wedding/baby present would be a gun safe. {#Rolleyes}

Then we realized that a gun safe would be a really good wedding/baby present. {#Eek} Too bad it was next to impossible to find a progressive business that sold them so I guess we are doing our part for freedom. {#Wink}


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Posted: Jan 8, 2016 - 7:39am

 porphyrius wrote:

Lazy8 has gotten, as per usual, straight to the heart of the matter. He makes a powerful, thoughtful, and reasonable assertion, and uses hyperbole (hopefully) only as an illustrative tool. He may sometimes display a hint of intellectual elitism, but I don't think he really intends it that way. I admire his abilities. All in all, very well played. And yes, I agree with SFW that we should buy him an e-beer.

Hang around here long enough, you will see what can happen to a conservative novitiate - perhaps someone that has absolutely no experience with on-line posting. They underestimate the environment, fail to see the long game, attempt to defend themselves, and everything goes completely south. I believe that in some, perhaps even most instances it is not willful ignorance, just ignorance. The environment swallows them whole. The ones that have been around longer should just know better.

Guns? I don't really give a shit if somebody dislikes them, or feels that they are bad. They're entitled to feel and think however they wish; I don't want to waste too much time on it. My best reason for defending gun ownership is that I like guns. Simple as that. I enjoy shooting and hunting. I appreciate the technology, hardware, history, and tradition. I grew up in a gun-friendly environment - gun ownership was/is a way of life. There are other reasons to defend gun ownership, and I believe in most of them - God-given rights, the Constitution, the founding fathers, etc...but I'm sure not going to smash my forehead repeatedly into an unyielding wall of minutiae. It doesn't appear to me to be time well spent.

Conversely, I really enjoy Jim Jeffries take on gun ownership:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

 

'Nuff said on my part.

 

 

 

 



 
I've learned more in these forums about politics, perceptions and perceptions of politics, than in any other arena of my life, and when I have questions, I bring them to the people here because their delivery of information is clear, educational, intelligent and above all respectful.  I still don't think my own personal political ideology has evolved to the point where I can confidently explain it to anyone else, but these forums have helped me to overlook the political party contests enough to actually understand the perspectives of others instead of more arguments about why they are "wrong."  I've also seen these forums evolve from something else to where they are now, which is many ways is a good thing.  Because the issue of guns and our rights and the safety of all of us is so important to our culture and our American personae, we need to be able to discuss it rationally and respectfully.  We just wish all gun owners were rational and respectful.  It's not the guns, it's the people wielding them.
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Posted: Jan 8, 2016 - 7:14am

Lazy8 has gotten, as per usual, straight to the heart of the matter. He makes a powerful, thoughtful, and reasonable assertion, and uses hyperbole (hopefully) only as an illustrative tool. He may sometimes display a hint of intellectual elitism, but I don't think he really intends it that way. I admire his abilities. All in all, very well played. And yes, I agree with SFW that we should buy him an e-beer.

Hang around here long enough, you will see what can happen to a conservative novitiate - perhaps someone that has absolutely no experience with on-line posting. They underestimate the environment, fail to see the long game, attempt to defend themselves, and everything goes completely south. I believe that in some, perhaps even most instances it is not willful ignorance, just ignorance. The environment swallows them whole. The ones that have been around longer should just know better.

Guns? I don't really give a shit if somebody dislikes them, or feels that they are bad. They're entitled to feel and think however they wish; I don't want to waste too much time on it. My best reason for defending gun ownership is that I like guns. Simple as that. I enjoy shooting and hunting. I appreciate the technology, hardware, history, and tradition. I grew up in a gun-friendly environment - gun ownership was/is a way of life. There are other reasons to defend gun ownership, and I believe in most of them - God-given rights, the Constitution, the founding fathers, etc...but I'm sure not going to smash my forehead repeatedly into an unyielding wall of minutiae. It doesn't appear to me to be time well spent.

Conversely, I really enjoy Jim Jeffries take on gun ownership:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

 

'Nuff said on my part.

 

 

 

 


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Posted: Jan 8, 2016 - 6:04am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 floydoftherocks wrote:
c) I LOVE you. {#Kiss}

And I mean it. Yet I could care less what you think of me. {#Moon}

There's a pretty big double standard on this forum, which I find endlessly amusing. Folks here will make a variety of nasty, elitist, fart-sniffing comments about Republicans (e.g. they're dumb, racist, etc.) or how democracies like Israel engage in so-called "ethnic cleansing." I find these comments to be the products of weak, uneducated minds.

Yet when I respond with facts (not silly, fart-sniffing opinions), those who have made such nasty, unfounded generalizations get SO offended, and that is pretty funny. {#Wink}

Hugs and kisses,
FotR

Floyd, I don't love you. Just gettin' that out of the way.

You've been hanging out at RP for a while, mostly dropping caustic comments on songs. Not sure how long you were lurking in the forum before jumping in with both feet, but you've had time (if not inclination) to get to know some of the people you're engaging with. Go click on the handle over there in the sidebar that says Lazy8.

Let's assume for the moment that you did that. Notice anything? I'm not like the others here. I'm here anyway. You'd think I'd be a natural ally. I'm not. And I need to explain why you're making it less likely that there will ever be more people who think like you here.

Most of the people who post here are leftish—you seem to have noticed that. Yay!!! Big gold star for perceptiveness!!!

That (besides snark and condescension) was affirmation. If you came here for that (in the sincere form) you've probably wandered down the wrong rabbit hole. It won't be forthcoming. But you don't need that 'cuz you're a grown-up, right? Which leads to a natural next question: why are you here?

Serious question. What do you hope to gain by mixing it up with people you hold in contempt? If you actually live in Frisco (as your profile implies) don't you have enough people within spitting distance already to sneer at, insult, and, well...spit on? What do you think you're accomplishing?

You didn't ask me (that's one of the things about forums: people tell you things you didn't ask them to. It's a feature, not a bug) but I'll tell you what I see: you're poisoning the water for the next conservative to wander in here.

The reason leftish hyperbole gets less push-back at RP is that it comes closer to what most of the people reading it believe, so it doesn't offend them. Might not represent how they feel about any particular thing, but they don't feel a need to correct every little insult to people they already don't like. This isn't evil, it's human. Think about the places/people you hang out in that are closer to what you believe. I'm going to go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you wouldn't agree that Obama is a Muslim jihadist who wants to sell the organs of the fetuses from all the white women he rapes,  but you probably wouldn't correct someone who said that in the company of like-minded folk. You might even enjoy a chuckle over the sheer in-your-facedness of such an obviously over-the-top statement, probably made just to piss off any stray Obama fans who wandered by. Whoever posted it may not actually, deep down, believe it but it feels good to say it now and again and get the warm fuzzy of affirmation. Or at least to get away with it.

If the audience were a more-representative sample of the human species that kind of thing would be seen as what it is: rude. Childish.

Now think about here. If you want to counter hyperbole with more hyperbole you aren't making the place more civil, you're just stepping in front of a urinal, pants down, and declaring it a pissing match. (See what I did there? That was hyperbole. An over-the-top statement that doesn't really advance my argument, it just adds vehemence and makes a well-reasoned response less likely by offending people who might put some thought into what they say. Felt good but probably took my case backward. I feel your pain.)

So what happens is that people who might agree with you (or at least defend you, or at least defend the value of having a competing opinion around) don't want to associate with the obnoxiousness. They know that if they just ignore you you'll eventually say something so offensive that the owners toss you out on your ass, and the people you're trying to prod will prod you right back until you do. And the taste you will leave in the collective mouths of the place will be bitter and nasty, and they will have one more confirmation of the their prejudices about people who don't think like they do.

You won't change any minds. You won't advance your cause. You'll lead those who might have been persuaded to agree with you (on something, on anything) to dismiss your position or any position like it out of hand: only assholes think like that. Like a dud artillery shell you get trenches reinforced without changing the lines of battle.

It's dinner time and I've already probably invested more in this post than it will yield. Gotta go. Peace out and all that. But think about it.

 
{#Cheers}  Very intelligent, well stated observation.  You can't have real dialogue about anything if you are entering a "discussion" cloaked in the armor of disrespect.  Doesn't really matter what your perceptions are.  You can mix them up any way you want and it's still the same dynamic.


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Posted: Jan 7, 2016 - 7:53pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
It's dinner time and I've already probably invested more in this post than it will yield.  
 
Well, more than it will yield with him, anyway. The rest of us just bought you an e-beer.  
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Posted: Jan 7, 2016 - 5:57pm

 floydoftherocks wrote:
c) I LOVE you. {#Kiss}

And I mean it. Yet I could care less what you think of me. {#Moon}

There's a pretty big double standard on this forum, which I find endlessly amusing. Folks here will make a variety of nasty, elitist, fart-sniffing comments about Republicans (e.g. they're dumb, racist, etc.) or how democracies like Israel engage in so-called "ethnic cleansing." I find these comments to be the products of weak, uneducated minds.

Yet when I respond with facts (not silly, fart-sniffing opinions), those who have made such nasty, unfounded generalizations get SO offended, and that is pretty funny. {#Wink}

Hugs and kisses,
FotR

Floyd, I don't love you. Just gettin' that out of the way.

You've been hanging out at RP for a while, mostly dropping caustic comments on songs. Not sure how long you were lurking in the forum before jumping in with both feet, but you've had time (if not inclination) to get to know some of the people you're engaging with. Go click on the handle over there in the sidebar that says Lazy8.

Let's assume for the moment that you did that. Notice anything? I'm not like the others here. I'm here anyway. You'd think I'd be a natural ally. I'm not. And I need to explain why you're making it less likely that there will ever be more people who think like you here.

Most of the people who post here are leftish—you seem to have noticed that. Yay!!! Big gold star for perceptiveness!!!

That (besides snark and condescension) was affirmation. If you came here for that (in the sincere form) you've probably wandered down the wrong rabbit hole. It won't be forthcoming. But you don't need that 'cuz you're a grown-up, right? Which leads to a natural next question: why are you here?

Serious question. What do you hope to gain by mixing it up with people you hold in contempt? If you actually live in Frisco (as your profile implies) don't you have enough people within spitting distance already to sneer at, insult, and, well...spit on? What do you think you're accomplishing?

You didn't ask me (that's one of the things about forums: people tell you things you didn't ask them to. It's a feature, not a bug) but I'll tell you what I see: you're poisoning the water for the next conservative to wander in here.

The reason leftish hyperbole gets less push-back at RP is that it comes closer to what most of the people reading it believe, so it doesn't offend them. Might not represent how they feel about any particular thing, but they don't feel a need to correct every little insult to people they already don't like. This isn't evil, it's human. Think about the places/people you hang out in that are closer to what you believe. I'm going to go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you wouldn't agree that Obama is a Muslim jihadist who wants to sell the organs of the fetuses from all the white women he rapes,  but you probably wouldn't correct someone who said that in the company of like-minded folk. You might even enjoy a chuckle over the sheer in-your-facedness of such an obviously over-the-top statement, probably made just to piss off any stray Obama fans who wandered by. Whoever posted it may not actually, deep down, believe it but it feels good to say it now and again and get the warm fuzzy of affirmation. Or at least to get away with it.

If the audience were a more-representative sample of the human species that kind of thing would be seen as what it is: rude. Childish.

Now think about here. If you want to counter hyperbole with more hyperbole you aren't making the place more civil, you're just stepping in front of a urinal, pants down, and declaring it a pissing match. (See what I did there? That was hyperbole. An over-the-top statement that doesn't really advance my argument, it just adds vehemence and makes a well-reasoned response less likely by offending people who might put some thought into what they say. Felt good but probably took my case backward. I feel your pain.)

So what happens is that people who might agree with you (or at least defend you, or at least defend the value of having a competing opinion around) don't want to associate with the obnoxiousness. They know that if they just ignore you you'll eventually say something so offensive that the owners toss you out on your ass, and the people you're trying to prod will prod you right back until you do. And the taste you will leave in the collective mouths of the place will be bitter and nasty, and they will have one more confirmation of the their prejudices about people who don't think like they do.

You won't change any minds. You won't advance your cause. You'll lead those who might have been persuaded to agree with you (on something, on anything) to dismiss your position or any position like it out of hand: only assholes think like that. Like a dud artillery shell you get trenches reinforced without changing the lines of battle.

It's dinner time and I've already probably invested more in this post than it will yield. Gotta go. Peace out and all that. But think about it.


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Posted: Jan 7, 2016 - 1:17pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


 
Here, I put it in a chart for you:



see, easy peasy.  
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Posted: Jan 7, 2016 - 12:31pm

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Don't think the prison canteen has Coors, but feel free to have a look around.

Heh. He said "Feel free". Heh.
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Posted: Jan 7, 2016 - 11:03am


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Posted: Jan 7, 2016 - 11:01am

 Beaker wrote:

So Westslope is the same person as Floyd?  Is that what's being implied?

 
No but floyd's the only one who picked up on westslope's comment and rebutted it with an aviso to read some author whose bona fides were called into question later, IIRC not backscrolling.
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Posted: Jan 7, 2016 - 10:52am

 islander wrote:

Perzaktly. No offense to beakers master search algorithm, but it just seemed odd that the first reference was the person already in question. I haven't seen a lot of conversation here or anywhere else that was all "yay - genocide". But I do miss some of the more subtle clues sometimes. 

 
So Westslope is the same person as Floyd?  Is that what's being implied?

I give up.  Don't care.  Love the music, hate the inane bickering.
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