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Posted: Mar 31, 2017 - 5:49pm

Hilarious.
 
Always sell into the heat. 


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Posted: Mar 31, 2017 - 2:09pm

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So maybe they actually mean what they say. It's not about the money.

 
Tell that to the people opening or re-opening gun shops around here. There was one here run by a severe asshole but a smart one. If sales started slumping, he'd gin up his own little news item about how they're coming to take away your guns and he'd sit back and chuckle. The day Trump won, he put his business on the market, sold it quickly, and the new guy will get to feel the slump. 

And in the past month or two, I count 3 new places opening up. 
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Posted: Mar 31, 2017 - 1:05pm

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Not exactly a new phenomenon. Trump has been great for ACLU and Planned Parenthood donations too.

But I want you to think this thru about thirty seconds longer.

A familiar theme among people who hate the NRA (and I'm gonna go ahead and lump you in there) is that they are pawns of the firearms industry, only in it for the money—as if this negates any argument they make.

By succeeding they are reducing their own revenue. They know this.

So maybe they actually mean what they say. It's not about the money.
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Posted: Mar 31, 2017 - 12:19pm

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More like the Gun manufacturers, they have the most to gain from a Democratic administration. I would not be surprised at all if some gun manufacturers started voting Democratic. Hell this phenomenon is not new, many probably voted Democratic in the last election. They made some serious bank under Obama, they probably have a portrait of him in their private offices.


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Posted: Mar 31, 2017 - 12:14pm

Perhaps The NRA should support Democratic candidates...
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Posted: Mar 22, 2017 - 11:55am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 Red_Dragon wrote:
You mean when a government agency determines that you are a threat and then makes you hire a lawyer and prove you're not—to their satisfaction—without oversight by any court?

Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with that?

 
Don't treat them. Arm 'em!!


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Posted: Mar 22, 2017 - 8:09am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
You mean when a government agency determines that you are a threat and then makes you hire a lawyer and prove you're not—to their satisfaction—without oversight by any court?

Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with that?
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Posted: Mar 22, 2017 - 6:09am

What could possibly go wrong?
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Posted: Feb 9, 2017 - 9:27am

 islander wrote:

Holy crap. Do you think if these guys looked a little more middle eastern or were black that we would be talking about them raising money for their defense?

 
guns are a tool that should be used for defense against aggression 

the type where your primordial property/life is threatened 

this type of protest isn't very effective


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Posted: Feb 9, 2017 - 8:47am

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
Holy crap. Do you think if these guys looked a little more middle eastern or were black that we would be talking about them raising money for their defense?
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Posted: Feb 9, 2017 - 8:16am

Idiots with guns
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Posted: Sep 16, 2016 - 8:43am

Missouri: The Shoot-Me State

This Editorial board opinion-editorial in the New York Times describes how Missouri is set to pass a law that removes background checks and allows those with criminal records such as those found guilty of domestic violence to carry concealed firearms.

What is this context of these decisions by state legislators?  Especially in light of an apparent recent uptick in homicides.  See:  Murder Rates Rose in a Quarter of the Nation’s 100 Largest Cities


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Posted: Aug 10, 2016 - 5:47pm

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Give them suctions cups and let them off themselves.

 

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Posted: Aug 10, 2016 - 5:44pm

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Wright is absolutely correct. There shouldn't have been any actual firearms - let alone ammunition - in the room. No excuse. Nope. None.

 
Give them suctions cups and let them off themselves.
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Posted: Aug 10, 2016 - 5:34pm

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Wright is absolutely correct. There shouldn't have been any actual firearms - let alone ammunition - in the room. No excuse. Nope. None.
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Posted: Aug 10, 2016 - 4:25pm

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Florida cop fatally shoots 73-year-old former librarian during role play

Incredible.

Why did the police officer not check the rounds before commencing the exercise?  

 

POLICE GUNNING DOWN A 73 YEAR-OLD WOMAN DURING A WEAPONS CLASS WAS NO ACCIDENT — JIM WRIGHT EXPLAINS IT ALL


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Posted: Aug 10, 2016 - 2:22pm

Florida cop fatally shoots 73-year-old former librarian during role play

Incredible.

Why did the police officer not check the rounds before commencing the exercise?  
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Posted: Aug 4, 2016 - 8:04pm

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1020879604671760/ i rest my case
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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 5:03pm

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No, I anticipated this thought.  It is more than likely that most vets use a gun, to make sure.  A vet is always going to be able to get a gun no matter what any law says.  It skews the numbers for the general population.  

And you're suggesting what for our vets ?  How are you going to intervene at any level when more active duty off themselves than those killed in combat ?  This is a systemic problem, not a gun problem.

Suicide is not a gun problem, period.  Its an excuse to restrict guns, not a reason. 

 
More health and support services when they return for starters. Long term, stop sending them away as much to fight foreign people for questionable objectives so you don't have so many returning with issues.

A you're fond of saying, laws won't stop anyone, soldier or not.  The idea is to make them less common and readily accessible so that a rash action won't have such dire consequences. Suicide itself is not a gun problem, but the ready availability of guns makes the suicide problem substantially worse. As demonstrated in Australia, lower suicide rates are an outcome of fewer guns around. Whether you want to call it a direct or an indirect benefit doesn't really matter to me.

Your original statement (the one that confused me), demonstrated that the two issues are intertwined. I think you were trying to say we should de-link them because a reasonable percentage of the suicides were ex-military. But that really doesn't make much sense to me. If suicide is a problem it doesn't really matter who it is that's killing themselves. 
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Posted: Aug 3, 2016 - 4:31pm

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Thanks, the post war 70's were pretty nuts for me for a lot of reasons.  

And thanks for the pdf file in your other post.  Pretty interesting stuff in there and detailed.  As I poked around to answer what piled up over the day, I ended up at wiki and found this regarding suicide in Australia and in particular involving guns.

Some researchers have found a significant change in the rate of firearm suicides after the legislative changes. For example, Ozanne-Smith et al. (2004) in the journal Injury Prevention found a reduction in firearm suicides in Victoria, however this study did not consider non-firearm suicide rates. Others have argued that alternative methods of suicide have been substituted. De Leo, Dwyer, Firman & Neulinger, studied suicide methods in men from 1979 to 1998 and found a rise in hanging suicides that started slightly before the fall in gun suicides. As hanging suicides rose at about the same rate as gun suicides fell, it is possible that there was some substitution of suicide methods. It has been noted that drawing strong conclusions about possible impacts of gun laws on suicides is challenging, because a number of suicide prevention programs were implemented from the mid-1990s onwards, and non-firearm suicides also began falling.

It seems that your pdf link supports the trends between hanging and guns on page 13 of the report or page 23 of the file.  

I'm not trying to belittle suicide at any level or say that we should do nothing to prevent it as a society.  I'm just questioning the role that guns have in the subject of suicide as it pertains to the restriction of guns in the USA and our 2nd.

Still reading your pdf.  I went to wiki first and found the part that I quoted and then went to your link to see if it supported or refuted wiki.

Much obliged.

 
As I said before, I read it as the number of alternate methods don't make up for the decrease in gun deaths. But numbers get squishy and we don't have an alternate earth to use as a control group. I'm sure there are substitutions of methods and Australia has been pretty good at starting to address and de-stigmatise mental health issues. I look at it all as defense in depth. Small steps help.
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