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Posted: Feb 17, 2018 - 2:44pm

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Posted: Feb 16, 2018 - 12:25pm

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Copycatting or not, it'll probably take fewer days for the current trend to continue: 2018 has 30 mass shootings in just 45 days.

 

i haven't looked but does that include police and military?
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Posted: Feb 16, 2018 - 12:16pm

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according to a specialized psychologist that was here in sofla on the radio

copycatting is a biggie and he said look for another incident with 10 days or so
 
Copycatting or not, it'll probably take fewer days for the current trend to continue: 2018 has 30 mass shootings in just 45 days.
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Posted: Feb 16, 2018 - 11:04am

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He's right, there were real problems with that law. There are real problems with lots of laws. Many are the result of unintended consequences, or somebody finds a loophole or whatever. What I don't understand is why politicians insist on throwing out the baby with the bathwater and starting from scratch. Use the existing law as a stepping stone, and modify it as necessary. Like ACA, just to take one example: everybody knew it had real issues, but instead of trying to work out the kinks, fix the things that didn't work and build on the successes, it's just 'repeal repeal repeal'.
c.

 
agreed!  Just like our healthcare and let's see...Daca, immigration, education...etc.  The law may not have been perfect but it was a start.  Now we are back to nothing.  Handing out assault rifles to maniacs is certainly a much better solution.


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Posted: Feb 16, 2018 - 10:56am

 cc_rider wrote:

He's right, there were real problems with that law. There are real problems with lots of laws. Many are the result of unintended consequences, or somebody finds a loophole or whatever. What I don't understand is why politicians insist on throwing out the baby with the bathwater and starting from scratch. Use the existing law as a stepping stone, and modify it as necessary. Like ACA, just to take one example: everybody knew it had real issues, but instead of trying to work out the kinks, fix the things that didn't work and build on the successes, it's just 'repeal repeal repeal'.
c.

 




Yep, but you know the reason cause they would rather score political points, please their base and maintain power than to really try to solve issues.
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Posted: Feb 16, 2018 - 10:52am

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Yep. Bad law.  It was crap to begin with.  People were included only because they were on Social Security Disability, such as me.  Things like due process are for someone else.  I guess you have no problem with that.

 
He's right, there were real problems with that law. There are real problems with lots of laws. Many are the result of unintended consequences, or somebody finds a loophole or whatever. What I don't understand is why politicians insist on throwing out the baby with the bathwater and starting from scratch. Use the existing law as a stepping stone, and modify it as necessary. Like ACA, just to take one example: everybody knew it had real issues, but instead of trying to work out the kinks, fix the things that didn't work and build on the successes, it's just 'repeal repeal repeal'.
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Posted: Feb 16, 2018 - 10:37am

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With good reason.  His obsession with reversing everything that Obama did is killing us and our children on a daily basis!  Remember this? 
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

 
Yep. Bad law.  It was crap to begin with.  People were included only because they were on Social Security Disability, such as me.  Things like due process are for someone else.  I guess you have no problem with that.
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Posted: Feb 16, 2018 - 10:32am

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 kurtster wrote:

Ummm, try this ...

Student, 18, is arrested for plotting school shooting after his grandma contacted authorities 'when she found a semiautomatic rifle in his guitar case and a journal with plans for pressure cooker bombs'

... he wanted the death count to be as high as possible so that the shooting would be infamous

The lesson here is don't tell the FBI.  They're too busy trying to bring down Trump and don't have anyone left to bother with this stuff.



 


You know its bad when the FBI even admits they fvcked up: Read the full FBI statement below: “ On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him. The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.
Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami field office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.
We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami field office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time.
FBI Director Christopher Wray said:
“We are still investigating the facts. I am committed to getting to the bottom of what happened in this particular matter, as well as reviewing our processes for responding to information that we receive from the public. It’s up to all Americans to be vigilant, and when members of the public contact us with concerns, we must act properly and quickly.
We have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy. All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are relentlessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it.”
 
The FBI just can't do its job anymore.  This is just the latest in a string of similar disconnects.  Cripes, Russia warned them about the Boston Marathon Bombers.  I have lost faith in the FBI, period.  From the top to the bottom.
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Posted: Feb 16, 2018 - 10:29am

 sirdroseph wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Ummm, try this ...

Student, 18, is arrested for plotting school shooting after his grandma contacted authorities 'when she found a semiautomatic rifle in his guitar case and a journal with plans for pressure cooker bombs'

... he wanted the death count to be as high as possible so that the shooting would be infamous

The lesson here is don't tell the FBI.  They're too busy trying to bring down Trump and don't have anyone left to bother with this stuff.



 


You know its bad when the FBI even admits they fvcked up: Read the full FBI statement below: “ On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him. The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.
Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami field office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.
We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami field office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time.
FBI Director Christopher Wray said:
“We are still investigating the facts. I am committed to getting to the bottom of what happened in this particular matter, as well as reviewing our processes for responding to information that we receive from the public. It’s up to all Americans to be vigilant, and when members of the public contact us with concerns, we must act properly and quickly.
We have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy. All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are relentlessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it.”
 
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Posted: Feb 16, 2018 - 10:25am

 kurtster wrote:

Ummm, try this ...

Student, 18, is arrested for plotting school shooting after his grandma contacted authorities 'when she found a semiautomatic rifle in his guitar case and a journal with plans for pressure cooker bombs'

... he wanted the death count to be as high as possible so that the shooting would be infamous

The lesson here is don't tell the FBI.  They're too busy trying to bring down Trump and don't have anyone left to bother with this stuff.



 




You know its bad when the FBI even admits they fvcked up:

Read the full FBI statement below:

“ On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him. The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.
Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami field office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.
We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami field office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time.
FBI Director Christopher Wray said:
“We are still investigating the facts. I am committed to getting to the bottom of what happened in this particular matter, as well as reviewing our processes for responding to information that we receive from the public. It’s up to all Americans to be vigilant, and when members of the public contact us with concerns, we must act properly and quickly.
We have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy. All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are relentlessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it.”

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Posted: Feb 16, 2018 - 10:22am

 kurtster wrote:

Ummm, try this ...

Student, 18, is arrested for plotting school shooting after his grandma contacted authorities 'when she found a semiautomatic rifle in his guitar case and a journal with plans for pressure cooker bombs'

... he wanted the death count to be as high as possible so that the shooting would be infamous

The lesson here is don't tell the FBI.  They're too busy trying to bring down Trump and don't have anyone left to bother with this stuff.



 
With good reason.  His obsession with reversing everything that Obama did is killing us and our children on a daily basis!  Remember this? 
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
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Posted: Feb 16, 2018 - 10:13am

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according to a specialized psychologist that was here in sofla on the radio

copycatting is a biggie and he said look for another incident with 10 days or so

 
Ummm, try this ...

Student, 18, is arrested for plotting school shooting after his grandma contacted authorities 'when she found a semiautomatic rifle in his guitar case and a journal with plans for pressure cooker bombs'

... he wanted the death count to be as high as possible so that the shooting would be infamous

The lesson here is don't tell the FBI.  They're too busy trying to bring down Trump and don't have anyone left to bother with this stuff.




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Posted: Feb 16, 2018 - 10:03am

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
according to a specialized psychologist that was here in sofla on the radio

copycatting is a biggie and he said look for another incident with 10 days or so
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Posted: Feb 16, 2018 - 9:49am

thoughts & prayers™
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Posted: Nov 21, 2017 - 6:33am



Yeah, this is the world we want to live in. I'm not talking about the grammar.
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Posted: Nov 17, 2017 - 1:56pm

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Posted: Nov 12, 2017 - 2:05pm

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Yep, we are still wanding Grandmas out there. 
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Posted: Nov 9, 2017 - 1:11pm

Ouch
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Posted: Nov 8, 2017 - 7:03am

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That's funny coming from a guy who owns guns to one who doesn't.  I'm defending your right to own guns even though I do not.  I believe in the rights of ordinary law abiding citizens.  There is no law that will 100% prevent someone who really wants a gun from getting one.  And since you keep on bringing up Sandy Hook, I'll remind you that Sandy Hook was a gun free zone.  A whole lot of good that did.  It was the one school in the district without city police presence and was sued for failure to provide protection for the school.

What if I, someone who doesn't own a gun, was for repeal of the 2nd Amendment and the confiscation of all guns ?  I could just as easily be against your lawful ability to own guns.  Then what would you say to me ?

Would you be willing to cheerfully turn in your guns should it be repealed ?  Would you feel safe walking around in the Alaskan wilds without one ?  Why should I care about you wanting to own a gun ?

 
That's a pretty good job of misrepresenting EVERYTHING that has been said on the topic. 
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