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westslope

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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 8:30am


This Is the Beginning of the End of the NRA
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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 8:24am

 Steely_D wrote:

Haven't read the article. Is it for or against?

 
primarily it's a stats/odds site

i think they're interested in opening up discussion on ways to reduce the violence
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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 8:20am

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That the country was founded on those is evangelical myth.

 
Our country was founded by bunch of London financiers gambling on a group of people too crazy for their own church.  Crazy religious fervor overlooked for the chance at a nickle - the true American way.
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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 8:05am

 westslope wrote:

I suppose on guns, there is no middle ground.  Just partisan braying.

There are lots of numbers in the web-site.  The numbers sound right to me.   The allusions to the current hyper vigilant hysteria that grips many Americans sound right to me. 
All I can say is....   1.  Man, you Americans love to off yourselves with guns!   2.  The USA has wandered so far from basic Christian principles — Thou shalt not off thyself—  it will likely never get back.

 
That the country was founded on those is evangelical myth.
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Posted: Jul 14, 2016 - 7:56am

 Steely_D wrote:

Haven't read the article. Is it for or against?

 
I suppose on guns, there is no middle ground.  Just partisan braying.

There are lots of numbers in the web-site.  The numbers sound right to me.   The allusions to the current hyper vigilant hysteria that grips many Americans sound right to me. 


All I can say is....   1.  Man, you Americans love to off yourselves with guns!   2.  The USA has wandered so far from basic Christian principles — Thou shalt not off thyself—  it will likely never get back.
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Posted: Jul 13, 2016 - 4:07pm

 miamizsun wrote: 
Haven't read the article. Is it for or against?
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Posted: Jul 13, 2016 - 2:31pm

Gun Deaths in America
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Posted: Jul 9, 2016 - 10:50am

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guns aren't the problem and this isn't obama's fault

...........

we should be trying to teach/implement non-violent solutions/methods


 
Guns are part of the problem but yes, this is not Obama's fault.   The biased, discriminatory policing was going on well before smartphone cameras came along and well before Obama was elected president.

I agree that more effort needs to be spent on spreading non-violent approaches.   Non-violent political action needs to be taught not just as a more ethically and morally acceptable way of politically acting but as a more effective, sustainable way of influencing political change.  It must be taught that violence typically leads to a lack of control and unexpected outcomes, witness the Palestinians who are still victims of the US-backed Israeli ethnic cleansing project.

But I would argue that we also need to teach non-firearm violent methods of self defence.    It takes guts to face down a gun or a knife when unarmed.  Teaching that kind of courage to a society of pill poppers looking for a quick fix will not be easy. 


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Posted: Jul 9, 2016 - 10:40am

 haresfur wrote:

............

I don't think anyone is going to come close to stopping the killing in the US. But why not try to slow the killers down? 

 
I agree.  Any hunters who needs more than 3 bullets to kill an animal, needs to change their strategy.  People at shooting ranges can simply spend more time reloading.  
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Posted: Jul 9, 2016 - 9:14am

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I can only offer an anecdote. Obviously anyone can argue that that doesn't represent other situations. But at last years hostage situation in a cafe in Sidney three people were killed. The hostage taker, one hostage he killed, and one hostage killed by the police. He had manged to get his hands on a shotgun. 

I don't think anyone is going to come close to stopping the killing in the US. But why not try to slow the killers down? 

 

guns aren't the problem and this isn't obama's fault

eventually we'll wise up and look at the root cause(s) of the violence we see today

how can one society have guns and very low rates violence?

what motivates someone to aggress others?

our society has been conditioned from the top down to solve problems using violence (threats, coercion, etc.)

imagine if we couldn't use violence as a solution

if we actually had to peacefully negotiate with each other

we should be trying to teach/implement non-violent solutions/methods

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Posted: Jul 8, 2016 - 6:11pm

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Would smaller magazines and better screening show up in lower body counts at public mass shootings?  Maybe.....  I dunno.    

 

 
I can only offer an anecdote. Obviously anyone can argue that that doesn't represent other situations. But at last years hostage situation in a cafe in Sidney three people were killed. The hostage taker, one hostage he killed, and one hostage killed by the police. He had manged to get his hands on a shotgun. 

I don't think anyone is going to come close to stopping the killing in the US. But why not try to slow the killers down? 
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Posted: Jul 8, 2016 - 2:59pm

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There is no doubt that Obama's rhetoric has been inciting:  His rush to judgement on police actions on numerous high profile shootings, before the facts were known; His near total failure to support the police forces through difficult days; and his blaming guns, gun, guns, and nothing else - oh except the NRA and Republicans!

......

The Dallas shooters appear to have been armed with sniper rifles and used professional tactics. No gun control nonsense is going to stop that kind of determination.

Worst, most vile President ever, IMO.

.......
 

There are several contributing factors to the Dallas police shootings:  incompetent police officers, victims who felt compelled to carry hand guns for self defence.  The Dallas police officer shootings appear to be in direct response to recent shootings of innocent black men by police officers in other states.  Nobody incited this kind of political violence.

Would gun control actually help?   Gun control will have no impact on hiring practices and the professional standards and training of police officers.   'Politics' should take care of that.  

Additional gun control would likely dictate smaller magazines, and perhaps more demanding and thorough screening procedures for new owners.   Assuming the additional gun controls are effective, will the results encourage young black American men to carry hand guns less frequently?  Probably not.  

Would smaller magazines and better screening show up in lower body counts at public mass shootings?  Maybe.....  I dunno.    

 
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Posted: Jul 8, 2016 - 9:40am

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Janeane Pirro, Newt Gingrich, Bo Dietl, Kevin Jackson, David Webb all say this (Dallas shooting) is something Obama created.

 
It's a disservice to the country, a sure sign that the problem isn't going to be addressed in a meaningful way - if Goldstein-blaming is such a knee-jerk reaction to our problems.

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Seriously, it got old a very long time ago, and I'd expect that folks who are well read would've seen straight through it.

 


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Posted: Jul 8, 2016 - 9:24am

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An interesting conversation. Officer Yanez, who shot Castile, was a four year veteran. I wonder if he'd had any other encounters with licensed carriers.

Are Black People At Risk When They Carry a Concealed Weapon? 

 





I am pretty sure people of color are more concerned about the color of their skin increasing their risk, but seeing how I am not a minority, it is not my place to speculate nor do I have an agenda to myopically concentrate on a question that most people of color are probably not so concerned with at this time seeing how it is hard enough just to have black skin.


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Posted: Jul 8, 2016 - 8:55am

An interesting conversation. Officer Yanez, who shot Castile, was a four year veteran. I wonder if he'd had any other encounters with licensed carriers.

Are Black People At Risk When They Carry a Concealed Weapon? 
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Posted: Jul 8, 2016 - 7:48am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 aflanigan wrote:
One potential fringe "benefit" of concealed carrying: being killed by a cop.

Minnesota Cop Fatally Shoots Black Man During Traffic Stop 

It's also a fringe "benefit" of driving while black.

Maybe black people shouldn't  drive either. {#Rolleyes}

 
Black Americans should not drive with broken tail lights or anything else that will give police a pretext to pull them over.
But otherwise, it is for this reason that I did not "carry" while doing a walk about for 5 years through South American and Africa.  

'Cause if you think your low social status white American cops afflicted with FASD are poorly trained, you should see police and military in poor developing countries!   
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Posted: Jul 8, 2016 - 7:18am

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Worst, most vile one celled organism President ever, IMO.
 
FTFY
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Posted: Jul 8, 2016 - 7:00am

 porphyrius wrote:
Janeane Pirro, Newt Gingrich, Bo Dietl, Kevin Jackson, David Webb all say this (Dallas shooting) is something Obama created.

 
There is no doubt that Obama's rhetoric has been inciting:  His rush to judgement on police actions on numerous high profile shootings, before the facts were known; His near total failure to support the police forces through difficult days; and his blaming guns, gun, guns, and nothing else - oh except the NRA and Republicans!

He's supposed to be a leader for all through difficult times - but he fails utterly miserably because his only interest is viewing matters through either a racial or political lens - or both.  

Good riddance to that.  Even Hillary would likely be some improvement in this leadership area. 

There's a reason why police forces nation-wide have an intense dislike for the guy.

The Dallas shooters appear to have been armed with sniper rifles and used professional tactics. No gun control nonsense is going to stop that kind of determination.

Worst, most vile President ever, IMO.

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Posted: Jul 8, 2016 - 6:46am

 porphyrius wrote:
Janeane Pirro, Newt Gingrich, Bo Dietl, Kevin Jackson, David Webb all say this (Dallas shooting) is something Obama created.

 
duh
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