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Posted: May 3, 2016 - 6:58am

Millenials better put the Big Easy on their bucket list.

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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 8:34am

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The links below, particularly the second link, provide a fascinating glimpse into how competent, effective journalism is practiced, or should be practiced. 

It also is a stellar example of ham-handed Public Relations folks at Exxon being pwned.

 Exxon Takes Aim at Columiba University Journalists over Climate Reports

Response from Steve Coll to Exxon Mobil

How Exxon Went From Leader to Skeptic on Climate Change Research

Exxon's Own Research Confirmed Fossil Fuels' Role in Global Warming Decades Ago

 
It's cute how deniers conveniently ignore these facts. And last December, this:

A new investigation by the Pulitzer Prize-winning outlet InsideClimate News suggests that nearly every major U.S. and multinational oil and gas company was aware of the impact of fossil fuels on climate change as early as the late 1970s. Earlier exposés by InsideClimate News and the Los Angeles Times have revealed that Exxon scientists knew about climate change as early as 1977, and for decades Exxon concealed its own findings that the burning of fossil fuels causes global warming, alters the climate and melts the Arctic ice. Now, internal documents obtained by InsideClimate News reveal that the entire oil and gas industry had similar knowledge. From 1979 to 1983, the oil and gas industry trade group American Petroleum Institute ran a task force to monitor and share climate research. The group’s members included senior scientists and engineers from not only Exxon, but also Amoco, Phillips, Mobil, Texaco, Shell, Sunoco, Sohio and Standard Oil of California and Gulf Oil, the predecessors to Chevron. The documents show that as early as 1979, the task force knew carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was rising steadily. The task force even briefly considered researching how to introduce a new energy source into the global market, given the research about fossil fuels’ impact on global warming. But in 1983, the task force was disbanded, and by the late 1990s, the American Petroleum Institute had launched a campaign to oppose the Kyoto Protocol, which was adopted by many countries to cut fossil fuel emissions but was never ratified by the United States.

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/12/24/headlines/report_all_major_oil_companies_knew_of_climate_change_by_1970s

And Carlin? Loved the guy, he was funny as hell and had it right on a lot of things, but on global warming he's just wrong.


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Posted: Apr 21, 2016 - 12:27pm



Well put Mr. Carlin.
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Posted: Dec 2, 2015 - 12:54pm

The links below, particularly the second link, provide a fascinating glimpse into how competent, effective journalism is practiced, or should be practiced. 

It also is a stellar example of ham-handed Public Relations folks at Exxon being pwned.

 Exxon Takes Aim at Columiba University Journalists over Climate Reports

Response from Steve Coll to Exxon Mobil

How Exxon Went From Leader to Skeptic on Climate Change Research

Exxon's Own Research Confirmed Fossil Fuels' Role in Global Warming Decades Ago



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Posted: May 2, 2014 - 5:54am

solutions?

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Posted: Apr 30, 2014 - 8:06am

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A rather glib response from someone who acts upset that no one is taking his propaganda videos seriously.

 
Not really.  I was not the original poster of the vid.

I just watched it and commented on what it meant to me and how it encapsulated my views on this subject.

 
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Posted: Apr 30, 2014 - 7:53am

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The dog ate it.

 

A rather glib response from someone who acts upset that no one is taking his propaganda videos seriously.
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Posted: Apr 29, 2014 - 9:33am

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Lectures can be an appropriate way to make your case to the larger scientific community, if you have a transcript or corresponding paper with footnotes.

Where are your/Davidson's footnotes?

 
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Posted: Apr 29, 2014 - 7:39am

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I take it that you also do not watch any of the TED presentations.  This is no different from one of those as it is a recording of a live presentation in front of an audience.  Lectures are primitive and overrated I guess as a delivery method for facts and opinions in the 21st Century.  They should be banned at all institutions of higher learning.  

Like I said, the vid parallels my conclusions which I have offered up here over the years in bits and pieces.  

I saw it, liked it and said why.  The vid would serve a purpose for me if anyone asked my take on the subject.  I would tell them to watch it if they wanted to know.  Save me a lot of time and trouble splaining it.

Funny how ain't none of us going to be around to find out who is right and who isn't.  Although those who believe its all manmade are right because they are the only ones with real science on their side.

Ta ... 

 
Lectures can be an appropriate way to make your case to the larger scientific community, if you have a transcript or corresponding paper with footnotes.

Where are your/Davidson's footnotes?


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Posted: Apr 29, 2014 - 6:19am

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Actually Kurt, I don't think there are very many people that truly believe that climate change is 100% man made, moreso the industrial revolution and exponential increases in carbon emissions that come with it are excacerbating the natural cycle to the point where we are in serious trouble.  Regardless of what percentage is man made or natural and cyclical, the fact remains that it has been here for many years and is accelerating to the point of no return at an alarming rate and it is downright irresponsible for us not to take this very seriously, buckle down and do something about it on a global scale.  Having said that, this subject is not very pressing to me personally because I know that global cooperation is not forthcoming or possible at this stage of our spiritual evolution nor can we put the modern lifestyle and agricultural mass production systems that have allowed for unsustainable population levels back in the Genie's bottle therefore we are quite doomed............ 

 
I agree.

I do realize that in the general population, the view is not as widely held.  Here it is, or so it seems.  I am only addressing the views expressed here.

What bothers me the most is how we are distorting our entire economy to address this in money losing propositions.  We cannot overcome the foreign outputs of China and India and other nations whose priorities do match ours.  So in essence we are only chasing our tails and bankrupting ourselves financially and even morally in this futile endeavor.  The moral example is that it is now ok to kill eagles and other birds when wind farms are doing the killing.

That's not to say that we do nothing.  Just not what we are doing now.  We should direct our energy towards finding ways to cope and adapt rather than try and reverse it. 

Change is the only constant in life.  All this time, energy and money being spent to try and prevent change (or put the genie back in the bottle) is downright foolish and futile. Politicians and there masters only make money when something goes wrong.  They do not make any money when they fix things.
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Posted: Apr 29, 2014 - 4:06am

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I take it that you also do not watch any of the TED presentations.  This is no different from one of those as it is a recording of a live presentation in front of an audience.  Lectures are primitive and overrated I guess as a delivery method for facts and opinions in the 21st Century.  They should be banned at all institutions of higher learning.  

Like I said, the vid parallels my conclusions which I have offered up here over the years in bits and pieces.  

I saw it, liked it and said why.  The vid would serve a purpose for me if anyone asked my take on the subject.  I would tell them to watch it if they wanted to know.  Save me a lot of time and trouble splaining it.

Funny how ain't none of us going to be around to find out who is right and who isn't.  Although those who believe its all manmade are right because they are the only ones with real science on their side.

Ta ... 

 

Actually Kurt, I don't think there are very many people that truly believe that climate change is 100% man made, moreso the industrial revolution and exponential increases in carbon emissions that come with it are excacerbating the natural cycle to the point where we are in serious trouble.  Regardless of what percentage is man made or natural and cyclical, the fact remains that it has been here for many years and is accelerating to the point of no return at an alarming rate and it is downright irresponsible for us not to take this very seriously, buckle down and do something about it on a global scale.  Having said that, this subject is not very pressing to me personally because I know that global cooperation is not forthcoming or possible at this stage of our spiritual evolution nor can we put the modern lifestyle and agricultural mass production systems that have allowed for unsustainable population levels back in the Genie's bottle therefore we are quite doomed............ 


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Posted: Apr 28, 2014 - 6:59pm

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People who wish to be taken seriously as scientists typically offer their data and findings in peer reviewed journals, not on youtube.

I don't waste time on these amateur videos for the same reason I don't watch propaganda like An Inconvenient Truth: These sorts of presentations tend to be biased, and painfully short on facts and knowledgeable analysis.

If you wish, you can summarize his findings/assertions, or better yet, submit links to peer reviewed articles that your/Davidson's beliefs are based on.

I know a number of posters here like embedding videos on topics like economics, 9/11, climate change, etc. To me, seeking wisdom in such videos is like looking for diamonds in a box of cereal.

 
I take it that you also do not watch any of the TED presentations.  This is no different from one of those as it is a recording of a live presentation in front of an audience.  Lectures are primitive and overrated I guess as a delivery method for facts and opinions in the 21st Century.  They should be banned at all institutions of higher learning.  

Like I said, the vid parallels my conclusions which I have offered up here over the years in bits and pieces.  

I saw it, liked it and said why.  The vid would serve a purpose for me if anyone asked my take on the subject.  I would tell them to watch it if they wanted to know.  Save me a lot of time and trouble splaining it.

Funny how ain't none of us going to be around to find out who is right and who isn't.  Although those who believe its all manmade are right because they are the only ones with real science on their side.

Ta ... 
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Posted: Apr 28, 2014 - 5:16pm

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91 degrees at 5:30 pm. Ima gonna die!

 
I remember pulling into Indio, California back in 1963 and stopping at a bait shop at 9:00pm to get bait.
My dad, my brother and myself (a fairly young tyke) were going overnight fishing at the Salton Sea.
I was amazed that the temperature was sitting at 104 F.

Now that I live only 4 miles from Indio, I've seen those temps at 11:00 pm at night for the last 44 years.


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Posted: Apr 28, 2014 - 3:33pm

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91 degrees at 5:30 pm. Ima gonna die!

 
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Posted: Apr 28, 2014 - 3:31pm

91 degrees at 5:30 pm. Ima gonna die!
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Posted: Apr 28, 2014 - 1:55pm

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I'll bet ironic hipsters are already wearing it ironically.

 
FYT
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Posted: Apr 28, 2014 - 1:54pm

            {#Roflol}....that's all folks...
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Posted: Apr 28, 2014 - 1:15pm

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Sounds like a t shirt. People are going to look at you a little funny though...

 
I'll bet ironic hipsters are already wearing it.
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Posted: Apr 28, 2014 - 1:12pm

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I broke a tooth on my Lucky Charms.

 
Sounds like a t shirt. People are going to look at you a little funny though...
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Posted: Apr 28, 2014 - 1:09pm

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I broke a tooth on my Lucky Charms.

 
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