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ScottFromWyoming
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Posted: Jan 26, 2015 - 1:23pm

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the legendary cbgb?

 
Yep.
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Posted: Jan 26, 2015 - 1:12pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

You got me there.
 

 
the legendary cbgb?
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Posted: Jan 26, 2015 - 9:47am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

You got me there.
2 

 
Yeah, drinks were more costly in there, I would usually just get one.  However, I probably a lot of time there before I was of legal drinking age, so it may not have come up that much.  I guess by college age I drank somewhere else first.
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Posted: Jan 26, 2015 - 9:35am

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You must have been going to music clubs for prices like that. In the '80s, I was buying pints or bottles of imports around NYC for usually less than $4.00, domestics were usually much cheaper.  However, that was generally in "neighborhood" style bars, often with neon shamrocks in the windows, and the third drink was almost always free - even if you were a stranger or a newbie.  

 
You got me there.
 
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Posted: Jan 26, 2015 - 9:24am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

There y'go. But I remember a $6 Rolling Rock in the bars in NYC being the cheapest beer available in 1986, so I think you east coasters are screwed about 9 ways on your whole bar scene.

In other news, I got a 6-pack of Little Sumpin' Wild this weekend for $9. No contest there. 

 
You must have been going to music clubs for prices like that. In the '80s, I was buying pints or bottles of imports around NYC for around $4.00, domestics were usually much cheaper.  However, that was generally in "neighborhood" style bars, often with neon shamrocks in the windows, and the third drink was almost always free - even if you were a stranger or a newbie.  
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Posted: Jan 26, 2015 - 9:16am

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They're $9.00 in Philly.

 
There y'go. But I remember a $6 Rolling Rock in the bars in NYC being the cheapest beer available in 1986, so I think you east coasters are screwed about 9 ways on your whole bar scene.

In other news, I got a 6-pack of Little Sumpin' Wild this weekend for $9. No contest there. 
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Posted: Jan 26, 2015 - 9:10am

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ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I don't care. I appreciate not having smoke in the hall, common areas, coming thru the vents, whatever. If someone on TripAdvisor says they got a nonsmoking room but that it smelled like smoke, that's a no-sale for me. So, finally, the market has decided that not a whiff of smoke anywhere is a better selling point than simply offering some non-smoking rooms. If you're really an advocate for free enterprise, well there you go. 

Long before it was common to have all-non-smoking restaurants, my coffeehouse was no smoking. Someone came in and said "I'll never come here!" and blew smoke into the room like the asshole she was. Everyone in the place laughed and shouted "Good!" And someone came along advocating for making all restaurants non-smoking by law. I said "what, and get rid of one of my biggest competitive advantages?" I had to explain to her that my competition all allowed smoking and a good portion of my daily traffic was from people who wouldn't go in those other places because of the smoke, then became loyal to us after a while.

Back in the day, when requesting a non-smoking table meant they took the ashtray off yours, we used to walk out of restaurants if the smoke was oppressive. And it often was. I don't like the heavy hand of the law entering the matter, but I voted with my feet more than once.

 
Me too. Not only do I not like being around cig smoke while eating I am actually allergic to nicotine so I get physically ill around. I was tested as a kid because people thought I was being "overly dramatic" around smokers. It kept me out of bars during college and parties with smokers (which was most all of them). 
Before all restaurants became all non-smoking I went to a Spaghetti Factory with a date and we asked to be seated in the non-smoking section. Right after we ordered a large party came in and they put a couple of tables together for them right next to use. This was in the no smoking section. And of course most of them started smoking. I got the server and complained and she said they ran out of room in the smoking area for a group that large. She refused to move us because again it was to busy. So we walked and went somewhere else. Because of my allergies I had to walk away from any restaurant that couldn't place me away from smokers.   
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Posted: Jan 26, 2015 - 9:02am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 

Back in the day, when requesting a non-smoking table meant they took the ashtray off yours, we used to walk out of restaurants if the smoke was oppressive. And it often was. I don't like the heavy hand of the law entering the matter, but I voted with my feet more than once.

 
Yep. Me too. Eating food and inhaling cigarette smoke do not go together.
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Posted: Jan 26, 2015 - 8:59am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

and eventually, the traditional smoking places figured it out. We don't have any ordinances around here but the most popular bars in Cody are nonsmoking. I'm sure a lot of factors went into the decision but if a pack of smokes is $5 (?) and little of that goes to the bar owner, why not cater to people with more beer money in their pockets?

 

They're $9.00 in Philly.
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Posted: Jan 26, 2015 - 8:55am

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I voted with my feet more than once.

 
and eventually, the traditional smoking places figured it out. We don't have any ordinances around here but the most popular bars in Cody are nonsmoking. I'm sure a lot of factors went into the decision but if a pack of smokes is $5 (?) and little of that goes to the bar owner, why not cater to people with more beer money in their pockets?
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Posted: Jan 26, 2015 - 8:52am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I don't care. I appreciate not having smoke in the hall, common areas, coming thru the vents, whatever. If someone on TripAdvisor says they got a nonsmoking room but that it smelled like smoke, that's a no-sale for me. So, finally, the market has decided that not a whiff of smoke anywhere is a better selling point than simply offering some non-smoking rooms. If you're really an advocate for free enterprise, well there you go. 

Long before it was common to have all-non-smoking restaurants, my coffeehouse was no smoking. Someone came in and said "I'll never come here!" and blew smoke into the room like the asshole she was. Everyone in the place laughed and shouted "Good!" And someone came along advocating for making all restaurants non-smoking by law. I said "what, and get rid of one of my biggest competitive advantages?" I had to explain to her that my competition all allowed smoking and a good portion of my daily traffic was from people who wouldn't go in those other places because of the smoke, then became loyal to us after a while. 

 
Cool!

I'd patronize any forward-thinking establishment that thinks like that.  I stopped going out to clubs back in the day, largely due to the smoke, and the choking effect on my throat/lungs.  And of course, the clothes that reeked when one arrived back at home.
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Posted: Jan 26, 2015 - 8:37am

ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I don't care. I appreciate not having smoke in the hall, common areas, coming thru the vents, whatever. If someone on TripAdvisor says they got a nonsmoking room but that it smelled like smoke, that's a no-sale for me. So, finally, the market has decided that not a whiff of smoke anywhere is a better selling point than simply offering some non-smoking rooms. If you're really an advocate for free enterprise, well there you go. 

Long before it was common to have all-non-smoking restaurants, my coffeehouse was no smoking. Someone came in and said "I'll never come here!" and blew smoke into the room like the asshole she was. Everyone in the place laughed and shouted "Good!" And someone came along advocating for making all restaurants non-smoking by law. I said "what, and get rid of one of my biggest competitive advantages?" I had to explain to her that my competition all allowed smoking and a good portion of my daily traffic was from people who wouldn't go in those other places because of the smoke, then became loyal to us after a while.

Back in the day, when requesting a non-smoking table meant they took the ashtray off yours, we used to walk out of restaurants if the smoke was oppressive. And it often was. I don't like the heavy hand of the law entering the matter, but I voted with my feet more than once.
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Posted: Jan 23, 2015 - 10:55am

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Oh, perhaps.  I didn't read that aspect into it, probably because I've changed all my browser font settings to be Trajan.

 

 

{#Clap}

 

 

 

     


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Posted: Jan 23, 2015 - 10:49am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Mm but SirD's lament certainly seemed to advocate for some sort of "it's legal so it has to be allowed" law or policy.

 
Oh, perhaps.  I didn't read that aspect into it, probably because I've changed all my browser font settings to be Trajan.
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Posted: Jan 23, 2015 - 10:45am

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but it's not as much a matter or requiring businesses to accommodate smokers as it is many municipalities prohibiting businesses from accommodating smokers.  
 
Mm but SirD's lament certainly seemed to advocate for some sort of "it's legal so it has to be allowed" law or policy.
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Posted: Jan 23, 2015 - 10:39am

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It's a matter of economics.  If there aren't enough smokers to keep the smoking rooms occupied then why offer them.  Non-smokers aren't going to want to stay in them.  Last time I got stuck in a smoking room I had to air out my entire suitcase at the next stop.  Now I not only won't stay in a smoking room - I don't want to be next door either.  I'm on the other side of the fence - why should a business be required to accommodate someone engaging in an optional activity.  It is not the same as accommodating a wheelchair, IMO.

 
It is very much a matter of economics, but your final point is not as much a matter or requiring businesses to accommodate smokers as it is many municipalities prohibiting businesses from accommodating smokers.  It's been a long time (if ever) since businesses were required to accommodate smokers; it was traditionally up to the business owners.  It no longer is in many places.
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Posted: Jan 23, 2015 - 10:36am

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I'm a non smoker, but to me it seems that they are getting too militant and smokers are welcome at fewer and fewer places and have nowhere to go.  Either it is legal or not, just seems almost surreal that a smoker cannot even function in society anymore because of rules and regulations.  Goes against my inherent yearning for individual liberty and for people to be able to be who they are, I mean you could just have smoking rooms for gots sake.{#Arghhh}
 
I don't care. I appreciate not having smoke in the hall, common areas, coming thru the vents, whatever. If someone on TripAdvisor says they got a nonsmoking room but that it smelled like smoke, that's a no-sale for me. So, finally, the market has decided that not a whiff of smoke anywhere is a better selling point than simply offering some non-smoking rooms. If you're really an advocate for free enterprise, well there you go. 

Long before it was common to have all-non-smoking restaurants, my coffeehouse was no smoking. Someone came in and said "I'll never come here!" and blew smoke into the room like the asshole she was. Everyone in the place laughed and shouted "Good!" And someone came along advocating for making all restaurants non-smoking by law. I said "what, and get rid of one of my biggest competitive advantages?" I had to explain to her that my competition all allowed smoking and a good portion of my daily traffic was from people who wouldn't go in those other places because of the smoke, then became loyal to us after a while. 
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Posted: Jan 23, 2015 - 10:31am

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I'm a non smoker, but to me it seems that they are getting too militant and smokers are welcome at fewer and fewer places and have nowhere to go.  Either it is legal or not, just seems almost surreal that a smoker cannot even function in society anymore because of rules and regulations.  Goes against my inherent yearning for individual liberty and for people to be able to be who they are, I mean you could just have smoking rooms for gots sake.{#Arghhh}

 
It's a matter of economics.  If there aren't enough smokers to keep the smoking rooms occupied then why offer them.  Non-smokers aren't going to want to stay in them.  Last time I got stuck in a smoking room I had to air out my entire suitcase at the next stop.  Now I not only won't stay in a smoking room - I don't want to be next door either.  I'm on the other side of the fence - why should a business be required to accommodate someone engaging in an optional activity.  It is not the same as accommodating a wheelchair, IMO.
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Posted: Jan 23, 2015 - 10:25am

 sirdroseph wrote:


I'm a non smoker, but to me it seems that they are getting too militant and smokers are welcome at fewer and fewer places and have nowhere to go.  Either it is legal or not, just seems almost surreal that a smoker cannot even function in society anymore because of rules and regulations.  Goes against my inherent yearning for individual liberty and for people to be able to be who they are, I mean you could just have smoking rooms for gots sake.{#Arghhh}

 
Reverse smokism.
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Posted: Jan 23, 2015 - 10:22am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I just checked a few hotels in the area and all but one specifically state that they are a non-smoking hotel. So he's probably going to have to deal. Buy him a box of nicorette?

 

I'm a non smoker, but to me it seems that they are getting too militant and smokers are welcome at fewer and fewer places and have nowhere to go.  Either it is legal or not, just seems almost surreal that a smoker cannot even function in society anymore because of rules and regulations.  Goes against my inherent yearning for individual liberty and for people to be able to be who they are, I mean you could just have smoking rooms for gots sake.{#Arghhh}


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