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Posted: Mar 7, 2018 - 10:10pm

With a bit of Milgram's experiment thrown in...
‘Barbarism’: Texas judge ordered electric shocks to silence man on trial. Conviction thrown out.

In Tarrant County, Tex., defendants are sometimes strapped with a stun belt around their legs. The devices are used to deliver a shock in the event the person gets violent or attempts to escape.

But in the case of Terry Lee Morris, the device was used as punishment for refusing to answer a judge’s questions properly during his 2016 trial on charges of soliciting sexual performance from a 15-year-old girl, according to an appeals court. In fact, the judge shocked Morris three times, sending thousands of volts coursing through his body. It scared him so much that Morris never returned for the remainder of his trial and almost all of his sentencing hearing.

The action stunned the Texas Eighth Court of Appeals in El Paso, too. It has now thrown out Morris’s conviction on the grounds that the shocks ordered by district judge George Gallagher, and Morris’s subsequent removal from the courtroom, violated his constitutional rights. Since he was too scared to come back to the courtroom, the court held that the shocks effectively barred him from attending his own trial, in violation of the Constitution’s Sixth Amendment, which guarantees a defendant’s right to be present and confront witnesses during a trial.

The ruling, handed down Feb. 28, was reported Tuesday in the Texas Lawyer.

Judges are not allowed to shock defendants in their courtrooms just because they won’t answer questions, the court said, or because they fail to follow the court’s rules of decorum.

“While the trial court’s frustration with an obstreperous defendant is understandable, the judge’s disproportionate response is not. We do not believe that trial judges can use stun belts to enforce decorum,” Justice Yvonne T. Rodriguez said of Gallagher’s actions in the court’s opinion. “A stun belt is a device meant to ensure physical safety; it is not an operant conditioning collar meant to punish a defendant until he obeys a judge’s whim. This Court cannot sit idly by and say nothing when a judge turns a court of law into a Skinner Box, electrocuting a defendant until he provides the judge with behavior he likes.” (...)

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Posted: Oct 15, 2015 - 8:08am

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No tolerance for science/engineering projects? I don't see how a science project can be so wildly misconstrued (and bundled together by the link) as "misbehaviour".

Sounds more like paranoia (as shown by the follow-up questions), and yes, Islamophobia.

Clearly these "backward savages" tinker with electronics for one reason only... {#Rolleyes}

 
Still following the kid with a 'clock' story?  No?  Awww - Did it start revealing some inconvenient facts that negate your narrative... ?

 ‘CLOCK BOY’ AHMED’S DAD: INCIDENT WILL ‘SPREAD ISLAM’ IN AMERICA
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Posted: Sep 18, 2015 - 1:09pm

#Halfabomb Explodes on Twitter After (NeoCon) Think Tank Calls Boy’s Clock a Threat

After an outpouring of sympathy for Ahmed Mohamed, the 14-year-old Muslim high school student arrested on Monday for bringing his homemade clock to school, a neoconservative think tank funded by major defense contractors tried to justify the actions of local police and school officials, calling what the boy built “half a bomb.”

Following our story about the Center for Security Policy’s comments, social media users responded with mockery — some providing their own examples of what else could be construed as #halfabomb. (...)

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Posted: Sep 18, 2015 - 5:06am

 miamizsun wrote:

i think i can agree with your premise and this reminds me of a huge example

this from the guy who droned a teen like this one for choosing the wrong parents

also i'm pretty sure if ahmed showed up at the whitehouse before this snafu with his clock setup we would have seen a serious response from ba (maybe even deadly)

and even now if this kid shows up at the wh i'd bet that his science project goes through an inspection and gets taken apart

because science

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Posted: Sep 18, 2015 - 4:05am

 RichardPrins wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:
i think it was his english teacher that blew the whistle (not his science/engineering instructor)

and i don't the specifics of how and why he pulled it out in english class (i'm guessing he was proud of his accomplishment and was eager to show it to anyone expressing interest)

From what I've read, it beeped while in English class as some clocks are wont to do, and hysteria ensued.
if there is evidence that someone involved called him a backward savage, made reference or had a history of making references to religious discrimination i'm not aware of it and that would be a problem and it should be called out
Few are blatantly racist anymore (en public, unless they can hide behind anonymity), because it is mostly no longer tolerated (damn polical correctness!). It works more subtly. You won't find an official referring to people in such a way (obviously my use was sarcastic) because repercussions will be swift. However, you can find plenty of examples of such crass generalizations if you care to look, even in this forum.
my guess is that the school employees are following a protocol (probably similar to see something - say something)
Hence my use of paranoia, and the special cultivated 'sensitivity' to (Islamic) terrorists (and not so much far-right extremists) along the lines of SSSS (est. 2002). Add a bit of folk-profiling (color: check, name: check, religion: check)... OMGZ!1!
maybe the teach caught a glance of the device or didn't fully understand the context and just followed state protocol

i've been working as a vendor/subcontractor for five school systems since 1997 and a lot has changed  (i'm scheduled to go to a school later this afternoon)

annual background checks, security picture id badges, bag/brief case checks, the whole nine yards

state schools resemble prisons/correctional facilities (here they their own police force, security, camera systems and random metal detectors)

is the state paranoid? are they aggressive? you bet they are (orwellian type policy is more the norm these days)

the state's business model both domestically and abroad is based on initiating aggression, but it is always for our own good (blowback be damned)

and in this case it is to protect the children
That may all be true, but it still matters who gets picked out. There's a well-document school-to-prison pipeline (including one infamous profiting judge that got caught) that disproportionately affects people of colour. Add an over-hyped and despised (other/alien) religion to the mix (see various media and some forum posters) and you end up with this result. Or cases where Sikhs are getting beat up because some mouth breather thinks they're Muslims (Terrorist! Go back to your country, etc.).

As the earlier link showed this doesn't appear to happen to white kids with clocks (though I'm not discounting it might have) or even geniuses with 'home-made' nuclear reactors.

PS: Police Violated Ahmed Mohamed’s Civil Rights by Keeping Away His Parents
And some people have no civil rights when they're suspects. See Guantanamo and drones.

 
i think i can agree with your premise and this reminds me of a huge example



this from the guy who droned a teen like this one for choosing the wrong parents

also i'm pretty sure if ahmed showed up at the whitehouse before this snafu with his clock setup we would have seen a serious response from ba (maybe even deadly)

and even now if this kid shows up at the wh i'd bet that his science project goes through an inspection and gets taken apart

because science

regards

p.s. i don't want to sound like a hard ankle or HTJ and i'd really like to believe that ba has had a shift from political thought to principled thought

to encourage him when he makes good decisions or displays rational thinking

but in light of his actions it looks like he's trying to score political points rather than embracing a paradigm shift

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Posted: Sep 17, 2015 - 12:44pm

 miamizsun wrote:
i think it was his english teacher that blew the whistle (not his science/engineering instructor)

and i don't the specifics of how and why he pulled it out in english class (i'm guessing he was proud of his accomplishment and was eager to show it to anyone expressing interest)

From what I've read, it beeped while in English class as some clocks are wont to do, and hysteria ensued.
if there is evidence that someone involved called him a backward savage, made reference or had a history of making references to religious discrimination i'm not aware of it and that would be a problem and it should be called out
Few are blatantly racist anymore (en public, unless they can hide behind anonymity), because it is mostly no longer tolerated (damn polical correctness!). It works more subtly. You won't find an official referring to people in such a way (obviously my use was sarcastic) because repercussions will be swift. However, you can find plenty of examples of such crass generalizations if you care to look, even in this forum.
my guess is that the school employees are following a protocol (probably similar to see something - say something)
Hence my use of paranoia, and the special cultivated 'sensitivity' to (Islamic) terrorists (and not so much far-right extremists) along the lines of SSSS (est. 2002). Add a bit of folk-profiling (color: check, name: check, religion: check)... OMGZ!1!
maybe the teach caught a glance of the device or didn't fully understand the context and just followed state protocol

i've been working as a vendor/subcontractor for five school systems since 1997 and a lot has changed  (i'm scheduled to go to a school later this afternoon)

annual background checks, security picture id badges, bag/brief case checks, the whole nine yards

state schools resemble prisons/correctional facilities (here they their own police force, security, camera systems and random metal detectors)

is the state paranoid? are they aggressive? you bet they are (orwellian type policy is more the norm these days)

the state's business model both domestically and abroad is based on initiating aggression, but it is always for our own good (blowback be damned)

and in this case it is to protect the children
That may all be true, but it still matters who gets picked out. There's a well-document school-to-prison pipeline (including one infamous profiting judge that got caught) that disproportionately affects people of colour. Add an over-hyped and despised (other/alien) religion to the mix (see various media and some forum posters) and you end up with this result. Or cases where Sikhs are getting beat up because some mouth breather thinks they're Muslims (Terrorist! Go back to your country, etc.).

As the earlier link showed this doesn't appear to happen to white kids with clocks (though I'm not discounting it might have) or even geniuses with 'home-made' nuclear reactors.

PS: Police Violated Ahmed Mohamed’s Civil Rights by Keeping Away His Parents
And some people have no civil rights when they're suspects. See Guantanamo and drones.
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Posted: Sep 17, 2015 - 11:07am

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Posted: Sep 17, 2015 - 11:04am

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 sirdroseph wrote:


Oh no, you misunderstand me.  I am totally with you on this and many other subjects, this was extreme sarcasm in your attempt to communicate with the myopic bot with an agenda something I have tried in the past but have learned my lesson.  You will get nowhere.

 
i've offended you... (j/k) {#Lol}

i don't think anyone here is a bot (including richard)

i believe he's a good guy and i agree with his taste in music and the vast majority of his analysis

we have some differences in our solutions and how those might be implemented

but this is why we have conversation(s)

i would miss him if he were gone or absent

and for the record i feel the same way about all peeps
 
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Posted: Sep 17, 2015 - 6:27am

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Oh no, you misunderstand me.  I am totally with you on this and many other subjects, this was extreme sarcasm in your attempt to communicate with the myopic bot with an agenda something I have tried in the past but have learned my lesson.  You will get nowhere.

 
i've offended you... (j/k) {#Lol}

i don't think anyone here is a bot (including richard)

i believe he's a good guy and i agree with his taste in music and the vast majority of his analysis

we have some differences in our solutions and how those might be implemented

but this is why we have conversation(s)

i would miss him if he were gone or absent

and for the record i feel the same way about all peeps



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Posted: Sep 17, 2015 - 5:44am

 miamizsun wrote:

while it's not my intention, in some cases it's difficult to have conversations (esp on a message board) without offending people

i consider everyone here a friend and make an effort to respect other views esp on sensitive subjects

i'm certain that on occasion i do rub others the wrong way and for that i have an open apology

if i offend anyone in any way i want them to tell me (or give the opportunity to clarify or apologize)

peace   {#Good-vibes}

 

Oh no, you misunderstand me.  I am totally with you on this and many other subjects, this was extreme sarcasm in your attempt to communicate with the myopic bot with an agenda something I have tried in the past but have learned my lesson.  You will get nowhere.
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Posted: Sep 17, 2015 - 5:37am

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I was going to post something like that but decided that you shall inherit the title of closeminded right winger as you clearly are.{#Rolleyes}
 
while it's not my intention, in some cases it's difficult to have conversations (esp on a message board) without offending people

i consider everyone here a friend and make an effort to respect other views esp on sensitive subjects

i'm certain that on occasion i do rub others the wrong way and for that i have an open apology

if i offend anyone in any way i want them to tell me (or give the opportunity to clarify or apologize)

peace   {#Good-vibes}
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Posted: Sep 17, 2015 - 5:15am

 RichardPrins wrote:

No tolerance for science/engineering projects? I don't see how a science project can be so wildly misconstrued (and bundled together by the link) as "misbehaviour".

Sounds more like paranoia (as shown by the follow-up questions), and yes, Islamophobia.

Clearly these "backward savages" tinker with electronics for one reason only... {#Rolleyes}
 
i think it was his english teacher that blew the whistle (not his science/engineering instructor)

and i don't the specifics of how and why he pulled it out in english class (i'm guessing he was proud of his accomplishment and was eager to show it to anyone expressing interest)

if there is evidence that someone involved called him a backward savage, made reference or had a history of making references to religious discrimination i'm not aware of it and that would be a problem and it should be called out

my guess is that the school employees are following a protocol (probably similar to see something - say something)

maybe the teach caught a glance of the device or didn't fully understand the context and just followed state protocol

i've been working as a vendor/subcontractor for five school systems since 1997 and a lot has changed  (i'm scheduled to go to a school later this afternoon)

annual background checks, security picture id badges, bag/brief case checks, the whole nine yards

state schools resemble prisons/correctional facilities (here they their own police force, security, camera systems and random metal detectors)

is the state paranoid? are they aggressive? you bet they are (orwellian type policy is more the norm these days)

the state's business model both domestically and abroad is based on initiating aggression, but it is always for our own good (blowback be damned)

and in this case it is to protect the children

regards
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Posted: Sep 17, 2015 - 4:09am

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dude that's racist

you didn't see the black police officer arresting him?

seriously i think it may be due to the zero tolerance policy (or zero logic policy) and not so much islamophobia

a few zero tolerance examples

 

I was going to post something like that but decided that you shall inherit the title of closeminded right winger as you clearly are.{#Rolleyes}
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Posted: Sep 16, 2015 - 6:22pm

 miamizsun wrote:

dude that's racist

you didn't see the black police officer arresting him?

seriously i think it may be due to the zero tolerance policy (or zero logic policy) and not so much islamophobia

a few zero tolerance examples

 
Yes. Yes it is.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2015 - 4:51pm

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yeah, you're special alright ...

So how about that Zero Tolerance problem up north in your neck of the woods ?

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Wasn't there a recent topic that railed against the supposedly absurd and arbitrary limitations imposed by ideologues on some discussions?
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Posted: Sep 16, 2015 - 4:47pm

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yeah, you're special alright ...

So how about that Zero Tolerance problem up north in your neck of the woods ?
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Posted: Sep 16, 2015 - 4:40pm

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Surely you of all people would be the champion against Zero Tolerance which this clearly is an example of and nothing else.  But it doesn't suit the needs of your agenda so you take it the other way to meet your needs.  

You're just an opportunist, looking for something to exploit.  Why don't you illuminate us about how Zero Tolerance is or is not a problem with Canadian schools and make a comparison rather than just sling phony hate like spaghetti at our wall.
 
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Posted: Sep 16, 2015 - 4:35pm

 RichardPrins wrote:

No tolerance for science/engineering projects? I don't see how a science project can be so wildly misconstrued (and bundled together by the link) as "misbehaviour".

Sounds more like paranoia (as shown by the follow-up questions), and yes, Islamophobia.

Clearly these "backward savages" tinker with electronics for one reason only... {#Rolleyes}

 
Surely you of all people would be the champion against Zero Tolerance which this clearly is an example of and nothing else.  But it doesn't suit the needs of your agenda so you take it the other way to meet your needs.  

You're just an opportunist, looking for something to exploit.  Why don't you illuminate us about how Zero Tolerance is or is not a problem with Canadian schools and make a comparison rather than just sling phony hate like spaghetti at our wall.
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Posted: Sep 16, 2015 - 4:27pm

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And he was arrested for what ? 

Irving’s police chief announced Wednesday that charges won’t be filed against Ahmed Mohamed, the MacArthur High School freshman arrested Monday after he brought what school officials and police described as a “hoax bomb” on campus.

At a joint press conference with Irving ISD, Chief Larry Boyd said the device — confiscated by an English teacher despite the teen’s insistence that it was a clock — was “certainly suspicious in nature.”

School officers questioned Ahmed about the device and why Ahmed had brought it to school. Boyd said Ahmed was then handcuffed “for his safety and for the safety of the officers” and taken to a juvenile detention center. He was later released to his parents, Boyd said. (...)

More a case of arrested development followed by quick backpedaling...
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