never was a fan of the pumpkins. but omg. this is a tough one not to love and not to have hit you right in the gut.

Me too. This song is a great opener to an even greater album.

....agree....

never was a fan of the pumpkins. but omg. this is a tough one not to love and not to have hit you right in the gut.

Everybody in my hotel room loves this song...

 

Indeed!

Also want to throw in my two cents about this album too... I still really like it.  One of my Pumpkin favourites.

Parrothead... wow.

I've heard Billy Corgan called lots of things, but talentless? The man could play guitar in circles around most of today's rock scene. Dismiss his singing, harp on his lyrics, go on and on about his singing (wait, we've covered the voice...) but for the love of Pete, don't dare say a thing about his guitar playing.

That's a fair assessment, the only problem is he keeps singing; why does he sing??????

Once again - I was in the middle of a very deep response to someone's e-mail, and this song just made my fingers freeze on the keys. Very hypnotic and soothing.  I love it.

Parrothead... wow.

I've heard Billy Corgan called lots of things, but talentless? The man could play guitar in circles around most of today's rock scene. Dismiss his singing, harp on his lyrics, go on and on about hsi singing (wait, we've covered the voice...) but for the love of Pete, don't dare say a thing about his guitar playing.

Better album than Melon Collie, but that's subjective.  Siamese Dream is better than either, that's not subjective.

Ooo. SP gets tender. Like hearing Ave Maria on kazoos. 

Some of the music behind Corgan's voice is good, but THAT voice. It touches something very primal inside me. A bit like one of my children crying. It becomes imperative for me to work to make it stop. Diaper change? Feed? Lonely? What does Billy need? The solution is usually to turn it off.

Sorry Gish05 but dexev has it right, IMO, which what this forum is all about, Billy Corgan got lucky. I sum him up in one sentence. Very little talent and so much success. Don't get me wrong, I don't support gun violence, Cobain had his musical limitations as well. I must add that since my daughter is into the Jonas Bros. I've seen and heard there stuff, they are very limited instrumentally and vocally,that's why they have a 12 piece band playing the music and a line of back up singers. Two years from now no one will know who the are unless they fall into the Beverly Hills or NYC party gang.

Better album than Melon Collie, but that's subjective.  Siamese Dream is better than either, that's not subjective.

Why? Becuase — particuarly throughout the 90's — Corgan proved to be a much more diverse and prolific songwriter (not to mention, a much better guitarist)? Billy's actions in the past year/year and a half have baffled me, but he's still a much better musician than Kurt Cobain could have ever dreamed of being. Yeah, I know Nirvana was insanely popular, but so are the Jonas Brothers. SP made a significant mark in the 90's rock scene regardless. I think Corgan's eclectic body of work will stand the test of time much better than a few Nirvana singles. As what we once called "radio" becomes more and more of a commercial entity with short-term memory, people who want to get into bands will find it much easier to compare not just singles, but entire discographies, thanks to the iTunes/torrent/online radio age.

And, really, even beyond the 90's, Corgan wrote a lot of impressive tunes that didn't reach enough people. He's finally starting to act a little off, though. Anyone would after writing so much amazing stuff. I still expect some good songs here and there, but not like before.

I've read some stuff about Cobain being apparently jealous of Corgan's talents; it would not surprise me if that were actually true.

As I heard yesterday: Kurt Cobain should have shot Billy Corgan instead.