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Lazarus
(Bethany)
Posted: Jun 06, 2013 - 20:20
 

 Lazarus wrote: 

The US Remains Guilty in Guatemala
by Noam Chomsky
June 6, 2013

Rios Montt's forces killed tens of thousands of Guatemalans, mostly Mayans, in the year 1982 alone.

As that bloody year ended, President Reagan assured the nation that the killer was a "man of great personal integrity and commitment," who was getting a "rap" from human-rights organizations and who "wants to improve the quality of life for all Guatemalans and to promote social justice."

Therefore, the president continued, "My administration will do all it can to support his progressive efforts."

Ample evidence of Rios Montt's "progressive efforts" was available to Washington, not only from rights organizations, but also from U.S. intelligence.

But truth was unwelcome. It interfered with the objectives set by Reagan's national security team in 1981. As reported by the journalist Robert Parry, working from a document he discovered in the Reagan Library, the team's goal was to supply military aid to the right-wing regime in Guatemala in order to exterminate not only "Marxist guerrillas‚" but also their "civilian support mechanisms‚" which means, effectively, genocide...



Lazarus
(Bethany)
Posted: May 29, 2013 - 20:47
 

 calypsus_1 wrote:

In 1987, about Victor Jara,  U2 included the track "One Tree Hill" on their album, The Joshua Tree where Bono sings: "And in the world a heart of darkness, a fire zone. Where poets speak their heart, then bleed for it. Jara sang, his song a weapon, in the hands of love. Though his blood still cries from the ground."

 

Wow!  Awesome, man...  if I had remembered your post, I would have referred to it...  I had comments all around it!  I apologize for missing that...





calypsus_1
(East of Eden)
Posted: May 29, 2013 - 20:34
 

 Lazarus wrote:

love this song...
 
the lyrics refer to the Chilean folksinger and songwriter Victor Jara...   after the Chilean coup by dictator Pinochet on September 11, 1973, Victor Jara was arrested and tortured— some say his hands were severed and he was forced to play the guitar...  then after several days of torture he was shot to death with a machine gun—

In 1987, U2 included the track One Tree Hill on their album, The Joshua Tree where Bono sings, "And in the world a heart of darkness, a fire zone. Where poets speak their heart, then bleed for it. Jara sang, his song a weapon, in the hands of love. Though his blood still cries from the ground."

  

 Very good post Lazarus!, and by the way, thanks alot for expanding my comment about this song. posted: May 14, 2011 - 15:49
 
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Lazarus
(Bethany)
Posted: May 29, 2013 - 20:04
 

 RPjdodd wrote:
Aaah, no they don't. One Tree Hill is a famous landmark in the city of Auckland, New Zealand. The song is about a New Zealand-born roadie who was very close to Bono, and who died prematurely.  As a testament to him, U2 released the song as a single for the New Zealand market only.
Lazarus wrote:

love this song...
 
the lyrics refer to the Chilean folksinger and songwriter Victor Jara...   after the Chilean coup by dictator Pinochet on September 11, 1973, Victor Jara was arrested and tortured— some say his hands were severed and he was forced to play the guitar...  then after several days of torture he was shot to death with a machine gun—

In 1987, U2 included the track One Tree Hill on their album, The Joshua Tree where Bono sings, "And in the world a heart of darkness, a fire zone. Where poets speak their heart, then bleed for it. Jara sang, his song a weapon, in the hands of love. Though his blood still cries from the ground."

 

Ahh, n
 


Aaah, yes they do...  you say "the song is about"  I say "the lyrics refer"...  big difference...

again, here is where the lyrics refer directly to Víctor Jara—  "And in the world a heart of darkness, a fire zone. Where poets speak their heart, then bleed for it. Jara sang, his song a weapon, in the hands of love. Though his blood still cries from the ground."


The song may generally be "about" some landmark in New Zealand...  but the specific lyrics quoted in my statement refer to Víctor Jara...  you may actually try scrolling down the link I previously provided to the heading—

Songs mentioning Víctor Jara

Many examples are offered, including this song "One Tree Hill" by U2...

here's another good example offered in the link under the same heading—

Chuck Brodsky wrote and recorded The Hands of Victor Jara. This 1996 tribute includes these words:

The blood of Victor Jara
Will never wash away
It just keeps on turning
A little redder every day
As anger turns to hatred
And hatred turns to guns
Children lose their fathers
And mothers lose their sons

 

RPjdodd
(Rotorua, New Zealand)
Posted: May 29, 2013 - 18:58
 

Aaah, no they don't. One Tree Hill is a famous landmark in the city of Auckland, New Zealand. The song is about a New Zealand-born roadie who was very close to Bono, and who died prematurely.  As a testament to him, U2 released the song as a single for the New Zealand market only.


Lazarus wrote:

love this song...
 
the lyrics refer to the Chilean folksinger and songwriter Victor Jara...   after the Chilean coup by dictator Pinochet on September 11, 1973, Victor Jara was arrested and tortured— some say his hands were severed and he was forced to play the guitar...  then after several days of torture he was shot to death with a machine gun—

In 1987, U2 included the track One Tree Hill on their album, The Joshua Tree where Bono sings, "And in the world a heart of darkness, a fire zone. Where poets speak their heart, then bleed for it. Jara sang, his song a weapon, in the hands of love. Though his blood still cries from the ground."

 

Ahh, n

ckcotton
(Adding snarky comments since 2007)
Posted: May 23, 2013 - 19:47
 

Just have to CRANK IT!

Lazarus
(Bethany)
Posted: Apr 01, 2013 - 20:26
 


love this song...
 
US Aids Honduran Police Despite Death Squad Fears

justin4kick
(The Netherlands)
Posted: Mar 15, 2013 - 02:30
 

Best U2 song ever.

gypsyman
(just passing through....)
Posted: Mar 01, 2013 - 09:42
 

This album was my very first cd. This song is a standout on a standout collection.

Lazarus
(Bethany)
Posted: Feb 11, 2013 - 17:46
 


love this song...
 
the lyrics refer to the Chilean folksinger and songwriter Victor Jara...   after the Chilean coup by dictator Pinochet on September 11, 1973, Victor Jara was arrested and tortured— some say his hands were severed and he was forced to play the guitar...  then after several days of torture he was shot to death with a machine gun—

In 1987, U2 included the track One Tree Hill on their album, The Joshua Tree where Bono sings, "And in the world a heart of darkness, a fire zone. Where poets speak their heart, then bleed for it. Jara sang, his song a weapon, in the hands of love. Though his blood still cries from the ground."


coloradojohn
(A Mile High and then some, Cherry Creek, Denver)
Posted: Feb 11, 2013 - 17:44
 

THE ULTIMATE DRIVING SONG!  Driving into Sequoia, sunrise, the road curving from out of and into green and mountains and trees at the edge of everything and great freaking shakes, these men can sing!

Suso
(Spain)
Posted: Jan 29, 2013 - 02:11
 

i love this song

pomalley
(Land of Lincoln)
Posted: Jan 11, 2013 - 09:26
 

Bumped up to a 9...  Great memories with this song.  Brings me back to this album time.

doc1968
(East of the Rockies)
Posted: Dec 23, 2012 - 20:08
 

Great memories of that hot, hot summer night in 2011 at U2 360!

LizK
(Houston, Texas)
Posted: Dec 23, 2012 - 20:08
 

 rdo wrote:


I was at this wedding, and the song they played during a photo montage of the bride and groom to kick-off the reception ceremonies was "I still haven't found what I am looking for"
We got a kick out of that.   True story. 
 
Or how about "Strangers in the Night"?

SeanMichael
(all over nz)
Posted: Dec 17, 2012 - 21:59
 

 omg did not know about the psd button thanks, I hate giving songs I don't like a bad rating

GawgaBoy wrote:

That's what the PSD button is for.... the only problem is this song is SO long, you have to hit the PSD twice.
 



coloradojohn
(A Mile High and then some, Cherry Creek, Denver)
Posted: Nov 22, 2012 - 11:23
 

Every one of them was shining like the moon over the hill they sing of in this.  They ran like the river, ran to the sea...and I forever thank them for it!

HearsayDave
(a mysterious seaside village with Number Six)
Posted: Nov 22, 2012 - 11:20
 

 marrdcheez wrote:
Still gives me chills after all these years. 
 


Agreed.

rdo
(DC)
Posted: Nov 16, 2012 - 14:12
 

 lemmoth wrote:

What the &^(*&() is so god awful about Bono.

He uses his fame and his platform, which he earned by working his ass off with his band and using their talents to create music that reached the hearts of millions, to inform, educate and yes promote causes that he believes in - which are generally for the overall benefit of the human race.

What have you done for the world.  Oh, I don't have the money or power to do much.  OK fine, but Bono does so Bono does.

What's the freaking problem? 
 
I don't like anyone with power, period.  He is extremely vain and proud.  I don't like ambition.  Mostly though, I want excellence in the arts, and he was once excellent in what he did, until he became focused on politics.

marrdcheez
(Austin, planet Earth)
Posted: Nov 16, 2012 - 13:17
 

Still gives me chills after all these years. 

Beinte
(Buckarest, Romania)
Posted: Nov 16, 2012 - 13:13
 

 hatechris wrote:
Best U2 Song ever.
 
So it is.

NoEnzLefttoSplit
Posted: Nov 09, 2012 - 15:46
 

 ScottN wrote:
Maybe this comment is made by someone downthread too,.  I didn't check every page.

"One Tree Hill" is a landmark and neighborhood in Auckland NZ.   It's cool the  way The Edge recalls a Maori influence in his guitar playing here, especially in the intro.  How U2 (Bono, in this case?) connect "Jara", a South American writer, poet and martyr, is a bit of poetic license exercise, But what the hell, this song works so, so well.  Could maybe do w/o the outro perhaps, but "them's small potatoes" of a criticism for a great song.
 
hey, that's good. you're right.. tho, it's actually a bit of a Polynesian drum riff more than Maori, but hell.

hatechris
(Boston)
Posted: Oct 27, 2012 - 00:10
 

Best U2 Song ever.

ScottN
(Condo in Gaza full time now. Thank TFSM I saw the divot where the landmine was placed.)
Posted: Oct 22, 2012 - 03:10
 

Maybe this comment is made by someone downthread too,.  I didn't check every page.

"One Tree Hill" is a landmark and neighborhood in Auckland NZ.   It's cool the  way The Edge recalls a Maori influence in his guitar playing here, especially in the intro.  How U2 (Bono, in this case?) connect "Jara", a South American writer, poet and martyr, is a bit of poetic license exercise, But what the hell, this song works so, so well.  Could maybe do w/o the outro perhaps, but "them's small potatoes" of a criticism for a great song.

WonderLizard
(2,755.46 mi. due east of Paradise)
Posted: Oct 09, 2012 - 07:01
 

 lemmoth wrote:
What's the freaking problem? 
 
Y'see, he wanted to call himself "Magna Vox," meaning "great voice," but ran into copyright and trademark problems, so he had to settle for "Bono Vox," meaning merely "good voice." When you think about it, the decision was a good one, because he has a voice that's really very, very good, but not really, really great. Besides, once he hit the world stage, folks would have confused him with Japanese comic books, as if the world didn't have enough trouble already.

Oh. I thought we were talking about his problem... 

tulfan
(Still in SE MI)
Posted: Oct 09, 2012 - 06:59
 

 Antz_Davis wrote:
One of the greatest albums of all time? well it must be up there - one if not the very best U2
 


It was War for me...

Proclivities
(Carrboro, NC)
Posted: Oct 09, 2012 - 06:57
 

 WonderLizard wrote:
I love this song for its rhythmic, onomatopoetic invocation of a river...
 
{#Think}

lemmoth
(NYC)
Posted: Sep 25, 2012 - 12:47
 

 rdo wrote:


I don't think so.  It's just a natural backlash.  U2 is a great band (I think, it's just my opinion), but there are so many other good bands who you hardly hear about, and that get low ratings.  It's a simple call for justice.  U2 is an example of the winner-take-all phenomenon.  So make bandwagon jumpers, so many followers, so much ca$h going in that godawful Bono's pocket that bothers people.  
 
What the &^(*&() is so god awful about Bono.

He uses his fame and his platform, which he earned by working his ass off with his band and using their talents to create music that reached the hearts of millions, to inform, educate and yes promote causes that he believes in - which are generally for the overall benefit of the human race.

What have you done for the world.  Oh, I don't have the money or power to do much.  OK fine, but Bono does so Bono does.

What's the freaking problem? 

GawgaBoy
(State of Confusion)
Posted: Sep 25, 2012 - 12:41
 

 lazylemming wrote:
U2... what a surprise...
(honestly, I'm a fan of them! and i do like this song... i just don't necessarily like to hear them as often as we do here...) 
 
That's what the PSD button is for.... the only problem is this song is SO long, you have to hit the PSD twice.

Papasmeg
(Lille France)
Posted: Sep 25, 2012 - 12:40
 

Its up there.......

lazylemming
(City of the Angels)
Posted: Sep 20, 2012 - 14:31
 

U2... what a surprise...
(honestly, I'm a fan of them! and i do like this song... i just don't necessarily like to hear them as often as we do here...) 

Antz_Davis
(Worcestershire UK -)
Posted: Aug 20, 2012 - 02:51
 

One of the greatest albums of all time? well it must be up there - one if not the very best U2

WonderLizard
(2,755.46 mi. due east of Paradise)
Posted: Aug 07, 2012 - 05:58
 

I love this song for its rhythmic, onomatopoetic invocation of a river. Springsteen's "The River" is similar. My all time fave rave, tho', is Smetana's "Vltava" from Ma Vlast.

RKeaton
(South of Paradise)
Posted: Jul 24, 2012 - 17:20
 

One of their better recording, imo.

(former member)
(hotel in Las Vegas)
Posted: Jul 24, 2012 - 14:26
 



This song is soooo good it puts a spring in my step this summer day...

MojoJojo
(Indianapolis, IN USA)
Posted: Jul 22, 2012 - 13:58
 

Peak. 10.

rdo
(DC)
Posted: Jul 19, 2012 - 16:29
 

 randyblew wrote:
Agreed. This is a song that I'd like to have played at my funeral. Nuff said there. To each their opinion, but I find it hard to see how some people aren't moved by music on this level, even if the band is popular or the music overplayed in the culture. It's all good - but this is my favorite album of all time (and that's in great company).
 

I was at this wedding, and the song they played during a photo montage of the bride and groom to kick-off the reception ceremonies was "I still haven't found what I am looking for"
We got a kick out of that.   True story. 

dew34
(Wisconsin-quite woodsy)
Posted: Jul 13, 2012 - 17:45
 

 aspicer wrote:
Brilliant.
 
Yes it is.   {#Notworthy}

aspicer
(Chicago, IL)
Posted: Jul 06, 2012 - 19:30
 

Brilliant.

bluecshells
Posted: May 22, 2012 - 08:14
 

My favorite U2 album. 

Jelani
(Home of the freak, land of the vague)
Posted: May 22, 2012 - 08:12
 

 Hannio wrote:
Say what you will about Bono or U2, but this is one fine song.
 
Yeah, I HATE to admit it, but I really love this song.

pgerv
(Montreal, Canada)
Posted: May 11, 2012 - 07:32
 

A fav of mine, I especially love the outro.

dwlangham
(Nowhere to be found)
Posted: May 11, 2012 - 07:32
 

25 years scooted by in a hurry

ce
(The Netherlands)
Posted: May 11, 2012 - 07:31
 

Yeah I get it, from "Uku" to "U2".
7:26 amU2
One Tree Hill
The Joshua Tree (1987)8.3
 
7:21 amDengue Fever
Uku
Cannibal Courtship (2011)6.4
For me, it would work better in reverse order.
What's next, "Pere Ubu"? "Voodoo Child (Slight Return)"?
Ah, it's a UFO.

(former member)
(hotel in Las Vegas)
Posted: May 11, 2012 - 07:28
 



soooo marvelous...  love it...

 

GirlFriday
(Austin, TX)
Posted: May 04, 2012 - 07:14
 

Pearls before swine, eh? Joshua Tree is one of my favorite albums (and places) ever.

randyblew
(Raleigh, NC)
Posted: May 04, 2012 - 07:14
 

 Agreed. This is a song that I'd like to have played at my funeral. Nuff said there. To each their opinion, but I find it hard to see how some people aren't moved by music on this level, even if the band is popular or the music overplayed in the culture. It's all good - but this is my favorite album of all time (and that's in great company).

lemmoth wrote:
Great song.  Great band then.  Great band now.  Haters can believe what they want.  The music speaks for itself.  Focus on the music.
 



GreggH
Posted: Apr 20, 2012 - 14:49
 

 perrygibbs wrote:
So pleased someone else who can't wait for RP to get off the U2 tip. I have to turn off whenever they come on, at least once a day,
 

U2 and Neil back to back. See, it can get worse.

lemmoth
(NYC)
Posted: Apr 20, 2012 - 14:46
 

Great song.  Great band then.  Great band now.  Haters can believe what they want.  The music speaks for itself.  Focus on the music.

Hannio
(Austin, TX)
Posted: Apr 20, 2012 - 14:42
 

Say what you will about Bono or U2, but this is one fine song.