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The Charlatans — Blackened Blue Eyes
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NeuroGeek
(Just Way Out There)
Posted: Mar 25, 2013 - 11:48
 
 fredriley wrote:

And who did Deep Purple rip off? Plenty of rock artists who came before them, I'm sure. I was in my teens when DP were in their pomp, and although a good metal band they were nothing special or innovative. They were certainly derivative, and I don't mean that as an insult, just a descriptor.

Can we stop using 'rip off' as a term of abuse on here? All music is derivative of earlier music. After millennia of human music making you're not going to get original sounds. What you will get is variations on the many, many themes in music, including rock. The Charlatans plainly have elements of older rock sounds in their songs, as does every other rock band. Try seeing it as homage rather than rip-off.

 
 A tip of the hat to the Nottingham jury.  {#Cheers}

slaven41
(Iowa, Earth)
Posted: Jan 27, 2013 - 17:17
 
 nicolewe wrote:
LIke the piano here.
 
Was about to say much the same, but found it was already said.

coloradojohn
(A Mile High and then some, Cherry Creek, Denver)
Posted: Jan 27, 2013 - 17:16
 
I once thought they'd never top their early stuff, but — EVERY TIME, this radical jammer catches and grabs me by the ears...and of course, I RUN TO CRANK IT UP, then I sit back and let their catchy grooves soak in, just like I used to!

nicolewe
Posted: Jan 21, 2013 - 17:33
 
LIke the piano here.

jimys
(West Coast)
Posted: Nov 30, 2012 - 08:40
 
One of the many songs on RP I bought the first time I heard it.  Thanks!!

LPCity
(Salt Lake City, Utah)
Posted: Oct 19, 2012 - 16:08
 
Maybe I'm out in left field on this one, but the song it sounds most like to me is Fascination Street by The Cure...

Neil66
((stav) anger)
Posted: Sep 30, 2012 - 07:05
 
 fredriley wrote:

And who did Deep Purple rip off? Plenty of rock artists who came before them, I'm sure. I was in my teens when DP were in their pomp, and although a good metal band they were nothing special or innovative. They were certainly derivative, and I don't mean that as an insult, just a descriptor.

Can we stop using 'rip off' as a term of abuse on here? All music is derivative of earlier music. After millennia of human music making you're not going to get original sounds. What you will get is variations on the many, many themes in music, including rock. The Charlatans plainly have elements of older rock sounds in their songs, as does every other rock band. Try seeing it as homage rather than rip-off.

 
Spot on Fred

gypsyman
(just passing through....)
Posted: Sep 28, 2012 - 13:19
 
 fredriley wrote:

And who did Deep Purple rip off? Plenty of rock artists who came before them, I'm sure. I was in my teens when DP were in their pomp, and although a good metal band they were nothing special or innovative. They were certainly derivative, and I don't mean that as an insult, just a descriptor.

Can we stop using 'rip off' as a term of abuse on here? All music is derivative of earlier music. After millennia of human music making you're not going to get original sounds. What you will get is variations on the many, many themes in music, including rock. The Charlatans plainly have elements of older rock sounds in their songs, as does every other rock band. Try seeing it as homage rather than rip-off.

 

fredriley has it right.

jagdriver
(Just a nod and a wink south of Paradise)
Posted: Sep 28, 2012 - 13:00
 
HOT!

fredriley
(Nottingham, UK)
Posted: Dec 14, 2011 - 06:29
 
 ojibwe wrote:
a lot better than the deep purple ripoff.
 
And who did Deep Purple rip off? Plenty of rock artists who came before them, I'm sure. I was in my teens when DP were in their pomp, and although a good metal band they were nothing special or innovative. They were certainly derivative, and I don't mean that as an insult, just a descriptor.

Can we stop using 'rip off' as a term of abuse on here? All music is derivative of earlier music. After millennia of human music making you're not going to get original sounds. What you will get is variations on the many, many themes in music, including rock. The Charlatans plainly have elements of older rock sounds in their songs, as does every other rock band. Try seeing it as homage rather than rip-off.


prickelpit96
(Where the grass is green and the ball is round, meet me in the stand behind the goal.)
Posted: Oct 18, 2011 - 02:57
 

7 —> 8.

Getting better like a good wine....



allabout
(Perth Western Australia)
Posted: Oct 12, 2011 - 00:26
 
Now you're right, lets have some Deep Purple Bill,   ojibwe wrote:
a lot better than the deep purple ripoff. 

 
 



kcar
Posted: Sep 16, 2011 - 12:34
 
 brookap wrote:

Yeah, it could be Ian Brown singing - could've swore it was 'Roses (or Brown's solo work) too. Charlatans compare nicely. More of all the above please Bill.
 
Yeah, I thought this was Stone Roses when I first heard this as well. If you read the Charlatans' Wikipedia entry you'll realize that their claim to be the "world's unluckiest band" isn't far off. 

ojibwe
Posted: Sep 16, 2011 - 12:30
 
a lot better than the deep purple ripoff. 

 

jkhandy
(Near the ocean (in my mind))
Posted: Sep 14, 2011 - 20:34
 
 lawman wrote:

Nothing wrong a rip-off mate. Is it a rip-off when we join in with a song?  Is it a rip-off when we pick up our air guitars and join in with a riff like that?  How much better, then to have a professional rock band to rip it off - to rip it up!  Yay!
 
Thank you lawman!  Seems some people here are sitting there just waiting to hear even the slightest sound, in their opinion, that is a "rip-off" from another artist.  These people need to get a life....{#Cheers}

Proclivities
(Carrboro, NC)
Posted: Sep 10, 2011 - 12:32
 
 Shaken_Bake wrote:
No, no, no!  The opening riff is totally a ripoff from Al Stewart's Year of the Cat track, On the Border.  Don't you hear it??
 
It's a broken or arpeggiated minor chord, not really a "riff".  I'm not sure about it being "totally a rip-off"; it's unlikely that these guys ever even listened to Al Stewart.  Who knows; anything is possible.


Stingray
(JULIAN'S NWO)
Posted: Sep 04, 2011 - 10:47
 
VERY SIMPATICO!!
Great band - great album - great song!

Cynaera
(Kenneth's Frequency)
Posted: Aug 14, 2011 - 11:46
 
The more I hear this, the more I love it. Such a powerful sound - and yes, "On the Border" springs to mind at first, but it takes such a different path from the intro that the comparison to Al Stewart stops there. This song shines on its own merits. Bumping from 8 to 9 because it just MOVES me.

brookap
(due south of Paradise)
Posted: Jun 02, 2011 - 00:54
 
 FogAudio wrote:
I had never heard of these guys but when I heard it I swore I was listening to the Stone Roses. Clearly some cross pollination from the mid-90s UK scene! I have a feeling I will like this song even more hearing it again.

Please... Bill play some more Charlatan tracks (quick review on Amazon and most of the songs on this album sound pretty good).
 
Yeah, it could be Ian Brown singing - could've swore it was 'Roses (or Brown's solo work) too. Charlatans compare nicely. More of all the above please Bill.



Cynaera
(South of Neanderthal)
Posted: May 01, 2011 - 11:15
 
 Shaken_Bake wrote:
No, no, no!  The opening riff is totally a ripoff from Al Stewart's Year of the Cat track, On the Border.  Don't you hear it??
 
I hear it - at least they picked a GOOD riff to swipe.  I really like this song (and I like "On the Border," too.) {#Music}

floydoftherocks
(Frisco)
Posted: Mar 11, 2011 - 09:08
 
yikes.. i always thought this was porc tree..............

kcar
Posted: Feb 02, 2011 - 02:46
 
 parrothead wrote:

For the record, Charlton went by "Chuck". Who would go by Charlton anyway.
 
This is true.

If anyone can recommend one of his movies where he doesn't overact (besides Ben Hur—and no, Planet of the Apes doesn't count) I'd appreciate it. 

helgigermany
(Germany)
Posted: Oct 30, 2010 - 12:14
 
Very nice!

rez
Posted: Oct 04, 2010 - 20:01
 
 Essbee wrote:

"The Charlies"? Reminds me of when Pat Sajak, on his short-lived talk show, called Charlton Heston "Chuck."

It's THE CHARLATANS. Thanks. 

 
{#Roflol}I'm always going to think of them as The Charlies now !


justin4kick
(The Netherlands)
Posted: Jul 31, 2010 - 04:05
 
 Shaken_Bake wrote:
No, no, no!  The opening riff is totally a ripoff from Al Stewart's Year of the Cat track, On the Border.  Don't you hear it??
 

You're right, I heard it too. And as I often do when I hear similarities with other music, I started looking for comments in which the same link was being made. It's always nice to be the first one to notice and getting it confirmed by fellow listeners, isn't it{#Angel}?


Walrus_Gumbo
Posted: Jul 20, 2010 - 16:33
 
Shaken_Bake wrote:
No, no, no! The opening riff is totally a ripoff from Al Stewart's Year of the Cat track, On the Border. Don't you hear it??

Yup! That's the first thing I thought of!


tprimeau
(Monroe)
Posted: Jun 29, 2010 - 06:51
 
Very nice.

Zep
(The big country)
Posted: Jun 18, 2010 - 19:38
 
 Shaken_Bake wrote:
No, no, no!  The opening riff is totally a ripoff from Al Stewart's Year of the Cat track, On the Border.  Don't you hear it??
 
No, it's not. 
 

cppedro
(México)
Posted: Apr 28, 2010 - 10:11
 
Tienes razon, buen oido compadre

 Shaken_Bake wrote:
No, no, no!  The opening riff is totally a ripoff from Al Stewart's Year of the Cat track, On the Border.  Don't you hear it??
 



ziakut
(Chicago, IL)
Posted: Apr 22, 2010 - 10:17
 
Nice movement and groove! Cool attitude and nice cadence here! Way to go Charlatans!

parrothead
(could be anywhere in the great USA)
Posted: Mar 15, 2010 - 16:12
 
 Essbee wrote:

"The Charlies"? Reminds me of when Pat Sajak, on his short-lived talk show, called Charlton Heston "Chuck."

It's THE CHARLATANS. Thanks. 

 
For the record, Charlton went by "Chuck". Who would go by Charlton anyway.


Essbee
(Big Bend Region, Texas)
Posted: Oct 09, 2009 - 08:30
 
 King_Balt wrote:
BRILLIANT!!! Keep the Charlies coming Bill !!!!
 
"The Charlies"? Reminds me of when Pat Sajak, on his short-lived talk show, called Charlton Heston "Chuck."

It's THE CHARLATANS. Thanks. 


DarceySuzanne
(Columbus)
Posted: Sep 18, 2009 - 07:03
 
I just love this song, the way the piano/keyboard moves it along...

jagdriver
(Tunin' in from the aptly-named Grass Valley, CA)
Posted: Aug 19, 2009 - 11:01
 
 kaybee wrote:
{#Lol}  Jagdriver always smokes good stuff!  By the way, this is a great segue from "Paint It Black"!
 
Thx, kaybee. The days of stems 'n' seeds are long gone, thankfully.

lawman
(Newcastle upon Tyne, UK)
Posted: Aug 19, 2009 - 10:59
 
Shaken_Bake wrote:
No, no, no! The opening riff is totally a ripoff from Al Stewart's Year of the Cat track, On the Border. Don't you hear it??

Nothing wrong a rip-off mate. Is it a rip-off when we join in with a song?  Is it a rip-off when we pick up our air guitars and join in with a riff like that?  How much better, then to have a professional rock band to rip it off - to rip it up!  Yay!

jagdriver
(Tunin' in from the aptly-named Grass Valley, CA)
Posted: Aug 19, 2009 - 10:58
 
{#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}      VOLUME UP!      {#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}{#Arrowu}  
BTW, everything else BG has played herein by this group is terrific, IMHO.
Not a loser among the bunch.

helgigermany
(Germany)
Posted: Aug 13, 2009 - 11:59
 
Also without smoking good stuff, this is nice!

kaybee
(Lost in the Wilds of Toronto)
Posted: Aug 07, 2009 - 20:29
 
jagdriver wrote:

  {#Iamwithstupid}


coolpeople_rule wrote:


Must have been smokin' some good stuff when you replied to yourself.

 
 
{#Lol}  Jagdriver always smokes good stuff!  By the way, this is a great segue from "Paint It Black"!

Lensles
(Baton Rouge, LA)
Posted: Aug 07, 2009 - 07:43
 
 Shaken_Bake wrote:
No, no, no!  The opening riff is totally a ripoff from Al Stewart's Year of the Cat track, On the Border.  Don't you hear it??

Aha! 


jonahboo
(in a corner)
Posted: Aug 07, 2009 - 07:34
 
i got it
good stuff

this song is hauntingly stellar

okelle
Posted: Aug 07, 2009 - 07:34
 
These guys always make me think of the Stone Roses.

Shaken_Bake
(Mile High City (or is it just me?))
Posted: Jul 12, 2009 - 20:31
 
No, no, no!  The opening riff is totally a ripoff from Al Stewart's Year of the Cat track, On the Border.  Don't you hear it??

LastChance
Posted: Jul 06, 2009 - 15:32
 
Between 10th and 11th is (in my humble opinion) one of their best albums.


 jonahboo wrote:


i too would like to know!
 



jonahboo
Posted: Jun 15, 2009 - 08:37
 
 chyk5 wrote:
Anyone have an opinion on this album as a whole? This song is great, but how is the rest? Any of their other CD's a must have? Thanks
 

i too would like to know!

vivakitty
(The Girl Who Wrecks Your Dreams)
Posted: Jun 15, 2009 - 08:33
 
 papaman wrote:
The beginning of this song always reminds of the 'Bourne Identity' theme song.
 
Me too!  I was just rolling through the comments to see if this had been used in a movie and you're right, there's bits that sound like Bourne's music.


EniwaMan
(Hokkaido, Japan)
Posted: Jun 04, 2009 - 20:45
 
 Patti wrote:
Now I remember what the opening reminds me of!!
A old '60's Stones song; but I can't remember the name of it.
And I don't feel like digging out my vinyls (tho I did buy a turntable and I'm going to be burning all my records onto CD's). Patti M.
 
I had the same burning need to know, too, so I did your homework for you.  It's a song called "We Love You."  From Wikipedia:

"We Love You" is a rock song written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, first released as Decca single F12654 in the UK by The Rolling Stones on August 18,1967, with a B-side of "Dandelion". It went top ten in Britain, peaking at #8, but only made it to #50 in the United States where "Dandelion" (reaching #14) was promoted as the A-side. 

The song is a droning Moroccan influenced anthem of defiance. Outwardly, it was a message from the band to its fans, expressing appreciation for support in the wake of their recent drug busts. It was also an ironic, tongue in cheek slap in the faces of the police harassing them and the Stones' true feelings about it, putting on a cooperative and friendly face while inside they were seething with anger and indignation (as is represented by Brian Jones' unforgettably surreal Mellotron in the background). "We Love You" is a psychedelic collage of jail sounds, Nicky Hopkins' foreboding piano riff, and otherworldly tape-delayed vocal effects, featuring a visiting John Lennon and Paul McCartney on high harmonies.   

(end Wikipedia quote)

Kudos as always to Bill for noticing this and putting this song right after Paint it Black from the same era.


coolpeople_rule
(Winter wonder land)
Posted: May 14, 2009 - 14:31
 
 jagdriver wrote:


{#Iamwithstupid}
 

Must have been smokin' some good stuff when you replied to yourself.


Caligula
(Stockholm)
Posted: Apr 14, 2009 - 16:03
 
 jagdriver wrote:

I would! This rocks!

Tracks like this make it worth the while to suffer through some of the dreck and drivel to which we're periodically subjected on RP.

 

Why don't you go some place else jagdriver if it's so bad here?

FogAudio
(St Petersburg, FL)
Posted: Apr 08, 2009 - 18:02
 
I had never heard of these guys but when I heard it I swore I was listening to the Stone Roses. Clearly some cross pollination from the mid-90s UK scene! I have a feeling I will like this song even more hearing it again.

Please... Bill play some more Charlatan tracks (quick review on Amazon and most of the songs on this album sound pretty good).



jagdriver
(Tunin' in from the aptly-named Grass Valley, CA)
Posted: Apr 02, 2009 - 14:40
 
 jagdriver wrote:

I would! This rocks!

Tracks like this make it worth the while to suffer through some of the dreck and drivel to which we're periodically subjected on RP.

 

{#Iamwithstupid}