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LowPhreak
(Divided Corporate States of Neo-Feudal Murikka, Inc.)
Posted: Oct 22, 2017 20:34
 

 ch83575 wrote:

I have heard this argument presented many times in many ways, and I must admit I don't get it.  If you are forced to pay into a socialist program all of your life, how is it somehow a socialist action to then want your piece back?  Taking social security payments and thinking that other people should not be forced to pay into a system they do not want or need are not incompatible actions.

 
Sure, let's just turn our S.S. and retirement over to the Wall St. vultures. We all saw how that worked out in '08.

2008 will happen again, not if but when. I'd rather pay into a system that can't be gambled with and exploited by profiteers.
ch83575
Posted: Sep 22, 2017 5:08
 

 KudaRey wrote:

And as such, I am sure you will pass on social security and/or medicare when it is your time. My guess you're already sucking on that teat. If not, you will be soon enough. Socialism is as socialism does.  

 
I have heard this argument presented many times in many ways, and I must admit I don't get it.  If you are forced to pay into a socialist program all of your life, how is it somehow a socialist action to then want your piece back?  Taking social security payments and thinking that other people should not be forced to pay into a system they do not want or need are not incompatible actions.
Highlowsel
(New York City - Escape velocity attained; now what!?)
Posted: Sep 22, 2017 5:07
 

To my mind one of the great (song) opening riff's in rock history.  Right up there in the pantheon with Hendrix's All Along the Watchtower.and Beethovens 5th. 

Highlow
American Net'Zen
KudaRey
(Honolulu)
Posted: Jul 22, 2017 22:27
 

 Ulises wrote:

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

 

Winston Churchill
 



 
And as such, I am sure you will pass on social security and/or medicare when it is your time. My guess you're already sucking on that teat. If not, you will be soon enough. Socialism is as socialism does.  
LowPhreak
(Divided Corporate States of Neo-Feudal Murikka, Inc.)
Posted: Jun 30, 2017 19:12
 

 Hannio wrote:

50 (as of May 2015) changes have been made since Obamacare was signed into law after being drafted behind close doors by the democrats without republican input.  31 were made by unilaterally by the Obama administration, 17 that Congress passed and the president signed into law, and two by the Supreme Court.  The law was a huge monstrosity to begin with, thank you Madame Pelosi and Mr Reid, and this glorious shitpile is owned by Obama and the democrat party.   http://www.galen.org/newsletters/changes-to-obamacare-so-far/



 
Actually, the glorious shitpile known as ACA was a conservative plan from a conservative think tank that Romneycare came from, which Obama & Dems then copied with some of their own adjustments.

BOTH parties can take the blame for it, just as both will be to blame for whatever disaster comes from Trumpcare if some version of it passes, but most of that will be on the GOP.

What we need is single-payer/Medicare for All with corporations and for-profits cut out of the equation, period.
On_The_Beach
(The Blue Planet)
Posted: Jun 22, 2017 10:56
 

 dmiklitz wrote:
(edit)
The band is just not the same with the rhythm section passed on.
 
Mooney & The Ox?
Simply irreplaceable.
hayduke2
(Southampton, NY)
Posted: Apr 22, 2017 6:32
 

great writing dmiklitz   : )  cool
dmiklitz
(Elkton, MD)
Posted: Jan 20, 2017 6:30
 

I'm amused and feeling my age when reading the comments on this song. I heard this song live in September 1982 in the now-demolished JFK stadium in Philadelphia. Great lineup for that show, btw. but I don't count this album among their best work. It was the second one after Moon died and '82 was supposed to be a Farewell Tour. I think I have most of their catalog up through It's Hard, mostly on vinyl. They were my favorite band when I was coming of age. Entwistle will always be in my top 5 bass player list. This particular song has such a good hook. If you want to hear the bass burning it up, listen to Magic Bus on Live at Leeds. Pete's talent has always been writing material that showcases each band member's talent. The synth looping comes right out his home studio where he noodled around on every instrument, creating his great catalog. Scoop was a great way to discover influences and evolution of both the Who's and Pete's solo work.

The band is just not the same with the rhythm section passed on.
thewiseking
(New York, New York)
Posted: Jan 17, 2017 7:29
 

 Ulises wrote:

Give me a fucking break. They made it, they own, they're free to do with it what they want to.

 
My comment wasn't meant for you
Steely_D
(Biscayne Bay, where the Cuban gentlemen sleep all day)
Posted: Jul 17, 2016 12:44
 

 Stephen_Phillips wrote:
At first I thought this was a 1980's Peter Gabriel track that I had not heard before - then as I listened more closely I identified Roger Daltry's voice. Otherwise not a typical Who song - but still very good.

 
Pete is singing
Ulises
(8th Circle)
Posted: Jun 15, 2016 15:34
 

 kcar wrote:

I disagree with your entire post, but especially the bit I put in bold. So not correct. 

I don't know what you expected Obama's administration to pass, but he very likely got the most he could. Single payer was not going to happen then and it likely won't for at least another 15 years, despite Bernie's vague promises of a political revolution. The cost of switching to single payer and then paying for it would be prohibitive. Opposition from the Republicans and the healthcare industry killed the public option, which likely wouldn't have been that widely used or disruptive.

The ACA isn't terrific, but it's a start. Certainly it's better than the state of healthcare before it—denial due to pre-existing conditions, termination of a policy due to a customer's severe illness, spiraling premiums, a shrinking pool of coverage, etc.

Sure, it would've been nice had the Republicans come up with their own health care reform idea—OH WAIT, THEY DID. It's called Obamacare. Mitt Romney could tell you all about that.   

 
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

 

Winston Churchill
 


Webfoot
(Eugene, Oregon)
Posted: Jun 15, 2016 15:30
 

 kcar wrote:

I disagree with your entire post, but especially the bit I put in bold. So not correct. 

I don't know what you expected Obama's administration to pass, but he very likely got the most he could. Single payer was not going to happen then and it likely won't for at least another 15 years, despite Bernie's vague promises of a political revolution. The cost of switching to single payer and then paying for it would be prohibitive. Opposition from the Republicans and the healthcare industry killed the public option, which likely wouldn't have been that widely used or disruptive.

The ACA isn't terrific, but it's a start. Certainly it's better than the state of healthcare before it—denial due to pre-existing conditions, termination of a policy due to a customer's severe illness, spiraling premiums, a shrinking pool of coverage, etc.

Sure, it would've been nice had the Republicans come up with their own health care reform idea—OH WAIT, THEY DID. It's called Obamacare. Mitt Romney could tell you all about that.   

 
Amen kcar!
Ulises
(8th Circle)
Posted: Jun 15, 2016 15:26
 

 thewiseking wrote:
Sad how The Who have destroyed much of their catalogue by selling it for commercial purposes.
When you hear the opening bars of a Who song your mind no longer soars and your heart sinks. 

 
Give me a fucking break. They made it, they own, they're free to do with it what they want to.
h8rhater
Posted: Apr 12, 2016 12:35
 

 thewiseking wrote:
Sad how The Who have destroyed much of their catalogue by selling it for commercial purposes.
When you hear the opening bars of a Who song your mind no longer soars and your heart sinks. 

 
It's a good thing people don't apply this standard to modern bands since they sell their hits immediately for commercial purposes (and even see some songs become hits because they were in commercials).

Perhaps we should stop applying the old "sell-out" standard to older acts since selling out is the new normal.

Besides... didn't the Who Sell Out waaay back in the 60's: 

The who sell out album front.jpg
gratefulgator
(San Francisco CA)
Posted: Apr 12, 2016 12:32
 

 Stephen_Phillips wrote:
At first I thought this was a 1980's Peter Gabriel track that I had not heard before - then as I listened more closely I identified Roger Daltry's voice. Otherwise not a typical Who song - but still very good.

 
Yeah, I was really surprised this was The Who!  Would never have guessed that.
thewiseking
(New York, New York)
Posted: Apr 12, 2016 12:29
 

Sad how The Who have destroyed much of their catalogue by selling it for commercial purposes.
When you hear the opening bars of a Who song your mind no longer soars and your heart sinks. 
kcar
Posted: Mar 11, 2016 18:15
 

 Hannio wrote:

The problem is that Obama and the democrats wasted a golden opportunity and an enormous amount of political capital to produce something that is worse than what we started with (for the majority of Americans).  And we now know from Jonathon Gruber's own testimony that Obamacare was set up to deceive the American people from the very beginning.  So even the "intentions were good" defense falls flat on its face.



 
I disagree with your entire post, but especially the bit I put in bold. So not correct. 

I don't know what you expected Obama's administration to pass, but he very likely got the most he could. Single payer was not going to happen then and it likely won't for at least another 15 years, despite Bernie's vague promises of a political revolution. The cost of switching to single payer and then paying for it would be prohibitive. Opposition from the Republicans and the healthcare industry killed the public option, which likely wouldn't have been that widely used or disruptive.

The ACA isn't terrific, but it's a start. Certainly it's better than the state of healthcare before it—denial due to pre-existing conditions, termination of a policy due to a customer's severe illness, spiraling premiums, a shrinking pool of coverage, etc.

Sure, it would've been nice had the Republicans come up with their own health care reform idea—OH WAIT, THEY DID. It's called Obamacare. Mitt Romney could tell you all about that.   
Stephen_Phillips
(Hillsborough, Northern Ireland)
Posted: Feb 09, 2016 2:50
 

At first I thought this was a 1980's Peter Gabriel track that I had not heard before - then as I listened more closely I identified Roger Daltry's voice. Otherwise not a typical Who song - but still very good.
Jota
(Scotland)
Posted: Dec 08, 2015 5:39
 

It doesn't sound like The Who because the drumming is so 'right' it's 'wrong'.  :)
twoplain2sea
(∝story ∞ horses town)
Posted: Oct 06, 2015 17:03
 

The girls smile
hanssachs
(Hawaii)
Posted: Oct 06, 2015 17:02
 

Strange - it's such a distinctive sound, and now it's a truck commercial ... I hope Pete's well recompensed for this.  I still like it.
wolverine
(Just North of Nowhere)
Posted: Sep 05, 2015 8:35
 

It's sad that my alltime favorite Who song will now be known to the future generations as the song on a car commercial and their other great songs as CSI theme songs.{#No}
BKardon
(Louisville, CO)
Posted: Aug 04, 2015 23:50
 

I saw them play this in New Orleans earlier this year.  Killer show that was.  I've heard this song is about rich people losing their inhibitions at parties because of coke.
On_The_Beach
(The Blue Planet)
Posted: Jul 05, 2015 1:37
 

 Hannio wrote:

The problem is that Obama and the democrats wasted a golden opportunity and an enormous amount of political capital to produce something that is worse than what we started with (for the majority of Americans).  And we now know from Jonathon Gruber's own testimony that Obamacare was set up to deceive the American people from the very beginning.  So even the "intentions were good" defense falls flat on its face.

 
This is going to have to be one of those "agree to disagree" things.
Nothing personal. I appreciate the civility of your posts.
Hannio
(Austin, TX)
Posted: Jun 09, 2015 10:30
 

 On_The_Beach wrote:

Yep, health care for poor people. Damn those commies!

 

The problem is that Obama and the democrats wasted a golden opportunity and an enormous amount of political capital to produce something that is worse than what we started with (for the majority of Americans).  And we now know from Jonathon Gruber's own testimony that Obamacare was set up to deceive the American people from the very beginning.  So even the "intentions were good" defense falls flat on its face.


On_The_Beach
(The Blue Planet)
Posted: Jun 03, 2015 10:37
 

 Hannio wrote:

. . . this glorious shitpile is owned by Obama and the democrat party.  (edit)

 
Yep, health care for poor people. Damn those commies!
Hannio
(Austin, TX)
Posted: Jun 03, 2015 8:53
 

 On_The_Beach wrote:

Obama did try. Once the repubs (and drug corporations) were done with it, it was so watered down as to be a joke. Meanwhile, as you pointed out, people are dying. Because health care = Communism!

 

50 (as of May 2015) changes have been made since Obamacare was signed into law after being drafted behind close doors by the democrats without republican input.  31 were made by unilaterally by the Obama administration, 17 that Congress passed and the president signed into law, and two by the Supreme Court.  The law was a huge monstrosity to begin with, thank you Madame Pelosi and Mr Reid, and this glorious shitpile is owned by Obama and the democrat party.   http://www.galen.org/newsletters/changes-to-obamacare-so-far/


On_The_Beach
(The Blue Planet)
Posted: May 02, 2015 15:11
 

 Lazarus wrote:
. . . now the tragedy is that people are still dying today in the USA from no health insurance and poor health care...  you folks in the Kingdom are so lucky to have a single-payer system...  you are much more civilized than we barbarians in the USA, and I am not kidding . . .
 
Obama did try. Once the repubs (and drug corporations) were done with it, it was so watered down as to be a joke. Meanwhile, as you pointed out, people are dying. Because health care = Communism!
bam23
(Berkeley)
Posted: Mar 31, 2015 21:38
 

I guess it's pretty good, but I have never understood even one word, to the extent that I honestly understood what the point was. Of course, this being rock, it doesn't have to make any sense. Even the helpful lyrics provided in the comments section do not really help. Must be too many plays embedded in my brain to allow any alternative (that is, comprehensible) interpretations. Anyway, I like it...
joempie
(Switzerland)
Posted: Feb 28, 2015 6:00
 

Eskimo, Arapahoe!

That's what I keep singing along.... 
Bear9
Posted: Jan 27, 2015 20:04
 

 richlister wrote:
 Lazarus wrote:
Great song...  love it...  here is a photo that my dead best friend's younger brother's girlfriend took at a recent show, in Manchester, NH, on February 24 (my dead best friend died on October 10, 2002 because he had diabetes and he didn't have health insurance...  he was a great guitar player..  miss you, Buster)—

Jesus mate, you are such a bell-end. Your mate died because he didn't have health Insurance? Cock.

 
Richlister, you evidently don't know much about America's free market approach to health care. Everyone here is equally free to get just as much health care as they can pay for. After all, if you were to provide free health care to the poor, that would just give them an incentive to get sick.
ljoergen
(Hoof Hearted? ME.)
Posted: Nov 26, 2014 5:30
 

Yeah!
Me likey like, very much!
{#Dancingbanana_2} 
xnavy
(Long Island New York)
Posted: Nov 26, 2014 5:29
 

Best song on the record{#Bananasplit}
Lazarus
(Bethany)
Posted: Aug 24, 2014 11:34
 

 richlister wrote:
 Lazarus wrote:
Great song...  love it...  here is a photo that my dead best friend's younger brother's girlfriend took at a recent show, in Manchester, NH, on February 24 (my dead best friend died on October 10, 2002 because he had diabetes and he didn't have health insurance...  he was a great guitar player..  miss you, Buster)—

Jesus mate, you are such a bell-end. Your mate died because he didn't have health Insurance? Cock.
 
Yeah, man...  Buster's fingers were quick and nimble on the guitar—  one of the fastest you'd ever see...  he made me look good while I played, and I am just a hack...  he couldn't afford his insulin, so he had to switch to some really cheap stuff, and he went downhill from there...  he was living in a house in the mountains in Virginia by himself, and all of the sudden, he quit talking to everybody on the phone...  his mother drove for 10 hours to his house, and the house smelled so bad she couldn't go inside...  she had to call the police, and they sent dudes into the house who were practically wearing space suits...  Buster had been dead for five days...  his blood sugar level had dropped and he had passed out and died...

now the tragedy is that people are still dying today in the USA from no health insurance and poor health care...  you folks in the Kingdom are so lucky to have a single-payer system...  you are much more civilized than we barbarians in the USA, and I am not kidding...

by the way, this is a great song...  everybody in my homeless camps loves this song, and this entire album...

hope life is grand for you right this minute, richlister...  time flies when we're having fun... 
richlister
(Here, there, pretty much everywhere.)
Posted: Jul 24, 2014 5:16
 

 Lazarus wrote:
Great song...  love it...  here is a photo that my dead best friend's younger brother's girlfriend took at a recent show, in Manchester, NH, on February 24 (my dead best friend died on October 10, 2002 because he had diabetes and he didn't have health insurance...  he was a great guitar player..  miss you, Buster)—

Jesus mate, you are such a bell-end. Your mate died because he didn't have health Insurance? Cock.
richlister
(Here, there, pretty much everywhere.)
Posted: Jul 24, 2014 5:14
 

San Andreas K-DST 4 life
ajlept
(Athens, GA)
Posted: Jun 22, 2014 20:47
 

Keep waiting for a new CSI locale so they can use this as the intro theme.
xnavy
(Long Island New York)
Posted: May 22, 2014 12:54
 

Best song on the album{#Dancingbanana_2}
h8rhater
Posted: Apr 21, 2014 6:07
 

 jgriffin56 wrote:  A great song on an otherwise dreadful album.  I can't explain why they were able to only produce one gem on this album but I am glad they did.


Hello!?!

It's Your Turn, One At A Time, and Dangerous are 3 of Entwistle's best efforts. Athena showed that Roger still had the pipes.  I've Known No War was a poignant track that captured the mood of the late cold war so well.  A Man Is a Man? Cry If You Want?  This album had MUCH to offer. 

Maybe you should give it another listen or 10.
lasker98
(Canada)
Posted: Apr 21, 2014 6:04
 

Hearing a lot of Talking Heads in this.
Euthanasia
(Turkey)
Posted: Apr 21, 2014 6:00
 

brilliant {#Sunny}
shellbella
(so california)
Posted: Mar 20, 2014 16:28
 

{#Yell}  Brilliant!! 
Alexandra
(PNW)
Posted: Dec 15, 2013 8:25
 

 shellbella wrote:
{#Notworthy}

 
 

oldfart48
(boulder creek ca.)
Posted: Sep 12, 2013 0:23
 

JJ . {#Sunny}hits everybody.....
JGM
Posted: Sep 07, 2013 9:29
 

 drucev wrote:
That's no Moon.

 
True in so many ways.  
Tippster
(Washington, DC)
Posted: Aug 11, 2013 17:45
 

 stevetheshoe wrote:
Oh my, Entwhistle was a bad mofo bass player!

 
No doubt - this was one where he got to shine.
jgriffin56
Posted: Aug 11, 2013 17:39
 

A great song on an otherwise dreadful album.  I can't explain why they were able to only produce one gem on this album but I am glad they did.
unclehud
(now 30 feet above the planet in Jeddah)
Posted: Jul 11, 2013 2:26
 

Classic tune, classic message.  10 with no hesitation.

edit:  Echo this from stevetheshoe:  "Oh my, Entwhistle was a bad mofo bass player!"
shellbella
(so california)
Posted: May 08, 2013 10:39
 

{#Notworthy}
Lazarus
(Bethany)
Posted: Mar 06, 2013 19:09
 



Great song...  love it...  here is a photo that my dead best friend's younger brother's girlfriend took at a recent show, in Manchester, NH, on February 24 (my dead best friend died on October 10, 2002 because he had diabetes and he didn't have health insurance...  he was a great guitar player..  miss you, Buster)—


Who - Roger allergy photo Who-Rogerallergictosmoke_zps4588525c.jpg