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mmartinwhite1938
Posted: May 13, 2018 11:33
 

play that funky music, white boys!
atomicsitup
Posted: Mar 31, 2018 9:54
 

 LowPhreak wrote:

Sure, let's just turn our S.S. and retirement over to the Wall St. vultures. We all saw how that worked out in '08.

2008 will happen again, not if but when. I'd rather pay into a system that can't be gambled with and exploited by profiteers.

 
So government bureaucrats and elected politicians are not corrupted profiteers. Got it.
LowPhreak
(Divided Corporate States of Neo-Feudal Murikka, Inc.)
Posted: Oct 22, 2017 20:34
 

 ch83575 wrote:

I have heard this argument presented many times in many ways, and I must admit I don't get it.  If you are forced to pay into a socialist program all of your life, how is it somehow a socialist action to then want your piece back?  Taking social security payments and thinking that other people should not be forced to pay into a system they do not want or need are not incompatible actions.

 
Sure, let's just turn our S.S. and retirement over to the Wall St. vultures. We all saw how that worked out in '08.

2008 will happen again, not if but when. I'd rather pay into a system that can't be gambled with and exploited by profiteers.
ch83575
Posted: Sep 22, 2017 5:08
 

 KudaRey wrote:

And as such, I am sure you will pass on social security and/or medicare when it is your time. My guess you're already sucking on that teat. If not, you will be soon enough. Socialism is as socialism does.  

 
I have heard this argument presented many times in many ways, and I must admit I don't get it.  If you are forced to pay into a socialist program all of your life, how is it somehow a socialist action to then want your piece back?  Taking social security payments and thinking that other people should not be forced to pay into a system they do not want or need are not incompatible actions.
Highlowsel
(New York City - Escape velocity attained; now what!?)
Posted: Sep 22, 2017 5:07
 

To my mind one of the great (song) opening riff's in rock history.  Right up there in the pantheon with Hendrix's All Along the Watchtower.and Beethovens 5th. 

Highlow
American Net'Zen
KudaRey
(Honolulu)
Posted: Jul 22, 2017 22:27
 

 Ulises wrote:

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

 

Winston Churchill
 



 
And as such, I am sure you will pass on social security and/or medicare when it is your time. My guess you're already sucking on that teat. If not, you will be soon enough. Socialism is as socialism does.  
LowPhreak
(Divided Corporate States of Neo-Feudal Murikka, Inc.)
Posted: Jun 30, 2017 19:12
 

 Hannio wrote:

50 (as of May 2015) changes have been made since Obamacare was signed into law after being drafted behind close doors by the democrats without republican input.  31 were made by unilaterally by the Obama administration, 17 that Congress passed and the president signed into law, and two by the Supreme Court.  The law was a huge monstrosity to begin with, thank you Madame Pelosi and Mr Reid, and this glorious shitpile is owned by Obama and the democrat party.   http://www.galen.org/newsletters/changes-to-obamacare-so-far/



 
Actually, the glorious shitpile known as ACA was a conservative plan from a conservative think tank that Romneycare came from, which Obama & Dems then copied with some of their own adjustments.

BOTH parties can take the blame for it, just as both will be to blame for whatever disaster comes from Trumpcare if some version of it passes, but most of that will be on the GOP.

What we need is single-payer/Medicare for All with corporations and for-profits cut out of the equation, period.
On_The_Beach
(The Blue Planet)
Posted: Jun 22, 2017 10:56
 

 dmiklitz wrote:
(edit)
The band is just not the same with the rhythm section passed on.
 
Mooney & The Ox?
Simply irreplaceable.
hayduke2
(Southampton, NY)
Posted: Apr 22, 2017 6:32
 

great writing dmiklitz   : )  cool
dmiklitz
(Elkton, MD)
Posted: Jan 20, 2017 6:30
 

I'm amused and feeling my age when reading the comments on this song. I heard this song live in September 1982 in the now-demolished JFK stadium in Philadelphia. Great lineup for that show, btw. but I don't count this album among their best work. It was the second one after Moon died and '82 was supposed to be a Farewell Tour. I think I have most of their catalog up through It's Hard, mostly on vinyl. They were my favorite band when I was coming of age. Entwistle will always be in my top 5 bass player list. This particular song has such a good hook. If you want to hear the bass burning it up, listen to Magic Bus on Live at Leeds. Pete's talent has always been writing material that showcases each band member's talent. The synth looping comes right out his home studio where he noodled around on every instrument, creating his great catalog. Scoop was a great way to discover influences and evolution of both the Who's and Pete's solo work.

The band is just not the same with the rhythm section passed on.
thewiseking
(New York, New York)
Posted: Jan 17, 2017 7:29
 

 Ulises wrote:

Give me a fucking break. They made it, they own, they're free to do with it what they want to.

 
My comment wasn't meant for you
Steely_D
(Biscayne Bay)
Posted: Jul 17, 2016 12:44
 

 Stephen_Phillips wrote:
At first I thought this was a 1980's Peter Gabriel track that I had not heard before - then as I listened more closely I identified Roger Daltry's voice. Otherwise not a typical Who song - but still very good.

 
Pete is singing
Ulises
(8th Circle)
Posted: Jun 15, 2016 15:34
 

 kcar wrote:

I disagree with your entire post, but especially the bit I put in bold. So not correct. 

I don't know what you expected Obama's administration to pass, but he very likely got the most he could. Single payer was not going to happen then and it likely won't for at least another 15 years, despite Bernie's vague promises of a political revolution. The cost of switching to single payer and then paying for it would be prohibitive. Opposition from the Republicans and the healthcare industry killed the public option, which likely wouldn't have been that widely used or disruptive.

The ACA isn't terrific, but it's a start. Certainly it's better than the state of healthcare before it—denial due to pre-existing conditions, termination of a policy due to a customer's severe illness, spiraling premiums, a shrinking pool of coverage, etc.

Sure, it would've been nice had the Republicans come up with their own health care reform idea—OH WAIT, THEY DID. It's called Obamacare. Mitt Romney could tell you all about that.   

 
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

 

Winston Churchill
 


Webfoot
(Eugene, Oregon)
Posted: Jun 15, 2016 15:30
 

 kcar wrote:

I disagree with your entire post, but especially the bit I put in bold. So not correct. 

I don't know what you expected Obama's administration to pass, but he very likely got the most he could. Single payer was not going to happen then and it likely won't for at least another 15 years, despite Bernie's vague promises of a political revolution. The cost of switching to single payer and then paying for it would be prohibitive. Opposition from the Republicans and the healthcare industry killed the public option, which likely wouldn't have been that widely used or disruptive.

The ACA isn't terrific, but it's a start. Certainly it's better than the state of healthcare before it—denial due to pre-existing conditions, termination of a policy due to a customer's severe illness, spiraling premiums, a shrinking pool of coverage, etc.

Sure, it would've been nice had the Republicans come up with their own health care reform idea—OH WAIT, THEY DID. It's called Obamacare. Mitt Romney could tell you all about that.   

 
Amen kcar!
Ulises
(8th Circle)
Posted: Jun 15, 2016 15:26
 

 thewiseking wrote:
Sad how The Who have destroyed much of their catalogue by selling it for commercial purposes.
When you hear the opening bars of a Who song your mind no longer soars and your heart sinks. 

 
Give me a fucking break. They made it, they own, they're free to do with it what they want to.
h8rhater
(Couldn't care less why you h8 this song)
Posted: Apr 12, 2016 12:35
 

 thewiseking wrote:
Sad how The Who have destroyed much of their catalogue by selling it for commercial purposes.
When you hear the opening bars of a Who song your mind no longer soars and your heart sinks. 

 
It's a good thing people don't apply this standard to modern bands since they sell their hits immediately for commercial purposes (and even see some songs become hits because they were in commercials).

Perhaps we should stop applying the old "sell-out" standard to older acts since selling out is the new normal.

Besides... didn't the Who Sell Out waaay back in the 60's: 

The who sell out album front.jpg
gratefulgator
(San Francisco CA)
Posted: Apr 12, 2016 12:32
 

 Stephen_Phillips wrote:
At first I thought this was a 1980's Peter Gabriel track that I had not heard before - then as I listened more closely I identified Roger Daltry's voice. Otherwise not a typical Who song - but still very good.

 
Yeah, I was really surprised this was The Who!  Would never have guessed that.
thewiseking
(New York, New York)
Posted: Apr 12, 2016 12:29
 

Sad how The Who have destroyed much of their catalogue by selling it for commercial purposes.
When you hear the opening bars of a Who song your mind no longer soars and your heart sinks. 
kcar
Posted: Mar 11, 2016 18:15
 

 Hannio wrote:

The problem is that Obama and the democrats wasted a golden opportunity and an enormous amount of political capital to produce something that is worse than what we started with (for the majority of Americans).  And we now know from Jonathon Gruber's own testimony that Obamacare was set up to deceive the American people from the very beginning.  So even the "intentions were good" defense falls flat on its face.



 
I disagree with your entire post, but especially the bit I put in bold. So not correct. 

I don't know what you expected Obama's administration to pass, but he very likely got the most he could. Single payer was not going to happen then and it likely won't for at least another 15 years, despite Bernie's vague promises of a political revolution. The cost of switching to single payer and then paying for it would be prohibitive. Opposition from the Republicans and the healthcare industry killed the public option, which likely wouldn't have been that widely used or disruptive.

The ACA isn't terrific, but it's a start. Certainly it's better than the state of healthcare before it—denial due to pre-existing conditions, termination of a policy due to a customer's severe illness, spiraling premiums, a shrinking pool of coverage, etc.

Sure, it would've been nice had the Republicans come up with their own health care reform idea—OH WAIT, THEY DID. It's called Obamacare. Mitt Romney could tell you all about that.   
Stephen_Phillips
(Hillsborough, Northern Ireland)
Posted: Feb 09, 2016 2:50
 

At first I thought this was a 1980's Peter Gabriel track that I had not heard before - then as I listened more closely I identified Roger Daltry's voice. Otherwise not a typical Who song - but still very good.