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"And I heard as it were the noise of thunder
One of the four beasts saying come and see and I saw
And behold a white horse"
(Revelation 6:1-2)
There's a man going around taking names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
Everybody won't be treated quite the same
There will be a golden ladder reaching down
When the man comes around
The hairs on your arm will stand up
At the terror in each sip and each sup
Will you partake of that last offered cup
Or disappear into the potter's ground
When the man comes around?
Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to a big kettledrum
Voices calling and voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come
And the whirlwind is in the thorn trees
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn trees
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks
Until Armageddon, no shalam, no shalom
Then the father hen will call his chickens home
The wise man will bow down before the thorn
And at his feet they will cast the golden crowns
When the man comes around
Whoever is unjust let him be unjust still
Whoever is righteous let him be righteous still
Whoever is filthy let him be filthy still
Listen to the words long written down
When the man comes around
Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to a big kettledrum
Voices calling and voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come
And the whirlwind is in the thorn trees
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn trees
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks
In measured hundred weight and penny pound
When the man comes around
"And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And his name that sat on him was Death
And Hell followed with him."
(Revelations 6:7-8)
One of the four beasts saying come and see and I saw
And behold a white horse"
(Revelation 6:1-2)
There's a man going around taking names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
Everybody won't be treated quite the same
There will be a golden ladder reaching down
When the man comes around
The hairs on your arm will stand up
At the terror in each sip and each sup
Will you partake of that last offered cup
Or disappear into the potter's ground
When the man comes around?
Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to a big kettledrum
Voices calling and voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come
And the whirlwind is in the thorn trees
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn trees
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks
Until Armageddon, no shalam, no shalom
Then the father hen will call his chickens home
The wise man will bow down before the thorn
And at his feet they will cast the golden crowns
When the man comes around
Whoever is unjust let him be unjust still
Whoever is righteous let him be righteous still
Whoever is filthy let him be filthy still
Listen to the words long written down
When the man comes around
Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers
One hundred million angels singing
Multitudes are marching to a big kettledrum
Voices calling and voices crying
Some are born and some are dying
It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come
And the whirlwind is in the thorn trees
The virgins are all trimming their wicks
The whirlwind is in the thorn trees
It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks
In measured hundred weight and penny pound
When the man comes around
"And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And his name that sat on him was Death
And Hell followed with him."
(Revelations 6:7-8)
| grant | Posted: May 06, 2013 - 04:46 darcand wrote: Sure makes the hairs on my arm stand up. EXACTLY ! Sheer musical genius. |
| Bleyfusz | Posted: May 06, 2013 - 04:46 We've just repelled ghosts. |
| Stingray | Posted: Apr 05, 2013 - 01:03 Am I really the only one who neither likes his voice nor his songs? |
| Hannio (Austin, TX) | Posted: Mar 20, 2013 - 07:08 ch83575 wrote: Im not interested in deep questions about god and divinity, but I would really like to know what a father hen is. I have several hens, and I am completely positive that none of them have fathered anything. That is an allusion to Matthew 23:37, where Jesus says "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing." . In orthodox Christian theology, Jesus is God the Father incarnate, hence the "Father Hen" reference in this song. There are other passages in the old testament that allude to a God as a mother as well as a father to His people. |
| VH1 (Germany) | Posted: Mar 20, 2013 - 07:07 I am alway shocked to see or better read, how Intoleranz and Igorance are ripe in the world wide web. Music is a completely personal thing, everybody likes different stuff and responds to different music in different ways. Music was/is created to cater for everyone's taste. Where I come from we have a saying: One man's owl is the other man's nightingale. So I can for the live of me not understand, why so many people become so agitatet and so vile and volatile about one song or the other. RP has the gadet "Play something different", so if one does not like a song, one can choose another one. But some find it necessay to even become insulting about a song or an artist, this is beyond me. Music is supposed to be a universal language of tolerance and love. But tolerance seems to be the hardest thing for some people. Intolerance for others leads to seperation, seperation leads to prejudice, prejudice leads to hate. Isn't there enough of it already in this world? Is it really necessary to bring this into Music as well? Somehow, I don't think so! |
| max_p | Posted: Mar 20, 2013 - 06:59 ch83575 wrote: Im not interested in deep questions about god and divinity, but I would really like to know what a father hen is. I have several hens, and I am completely positive that none of them have fathered anything. I've heard of a boy named Sue! |
| Bleyfusz | Posted: Mar 20, 2013 - 06:58 What the fuck makes me like it so much? |
| darcand (Montréal) | Posted: Feb 16, 2013 - 21:43 Sure makes the hairs on my arm stand up. |
| PixelPushers | Posted: Jan 16, 2013 - 14:29 This song was also used effectively in a scene from the Sarah Conner Chronicles. Just YouTube "Sarah Conner and Johnny Cash" to check it out. kingart wrote: This track closed out the HBO series about the Iraq war, Generation Kill. I heard the first 60 seconds as the final credits closed, iTuned it up and had it on my pod before the last seconds. Other than Running the World, a Jarvis Cocker tune that closed out Children of Men, it was the fastest tune load I ever did. |
| d-don (Oregon) | Posted: Jan 16, 2013 - 14:19 rockpommel16 wrote: ....absolutely dislike most of your comments......   |
| philbertr (Roch New York) | Posted: Dec 31, 2012 - 21:37 I just had to get up from my very comfortable recliner chair to turn the volume up. Way up. (Yea, I know, old technology. But its what I got. And it works pretty damn good.) |
| jktravl (Virginia) | Posted: Nov 30, 2012 - 12:57 Johnny Cash is up there in his own gendre, as Sinatra is to his. 2 totally different styles, men and singers, but honorable in their own right. |
| nagsheadlocal (North Carolina, the new New Jersey) | Posted: Nov 30, 2012 - 12:55 I'd like to interrupt this religious dispute to note that the production on this is some of my favorite, that guitar sounds fantastic, like it's here in my room with me. And now, back to discussing whether the universe even pays any attention to us. |
| Saire (Perth, Australia) | Posted: Oct 14, 2012 - 12:09 I don't believe in God, but there's something quite likeable about this tune! |
| rockpommel16 (rockpommel´s land...near the netherlands) | Posted: Oct 14, 2012 - 11:55 Stingray wrote: Absolutely dislike his preaching and story-telling! ....absolutely dislike most of your comments...... |
| Stingray | Posted: Oct 14, 2012 - 11:52 Absolutely dislike his preaching and story-telling! |
| kingart (Brooklyn NY) | Posted: Sep 28, 2012 - 17:19 This track closed out the HBO series about the Iraq war, Generation Kill. I heard the first 60 seconds as the final credits closed, iTuned it up and had it on my pod before the last seconds. Other than Running the World, a Jarvis Cocker tune that closed out Children of Men, it was the fastest tune load I ever did. |
| ch83575 | Posted: Sep 28, 2012 - 17:18 Im not interested in deep questions about god and divinity, but I would really like to know what a father hen is. I have several hens, and I am completely positive that none of them have fathered anything. |
| baddog8it (Vinyl Suburbia, MO) | Posted: Aug 28, 2012 - 04:41 It definitely SUCKS! But it's not the singer.... |
| neuticle (fog fog fog) | Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 18:46 vluvlu wrote: My gosh, this song sucks. Maybe it's not the song.......but the singer. you are kidding right? Please say your joking |
| vluvlu (Virginia Beach, VA) | Posted: Jun 26, 2012 - 08:21 My gosh, this song sucks. Maybe it's not the song.......but the singer. |
| kdavistcb | Posted: Jun 26, 2012 - 08:21 Love everything about this! |
| neuticle (fog fog fog) | Posted: May 25, 2012 - 11:45 I'm no Christian...but I mock no ones faith.. |
| oldsaxon (Wales via Vancouver, BC.) | Posted: May 09, 2012 - 13:57 That creation is a natural and random thing that has nothing to do with magic, just nature. LastChance wrote: Teach the truth of creation??? What truth would that be? MadDocG wrote: Lots to reply to here. First and foremost, this song totally blew me away! Never had been exposed to the Christian Cash! WOW! Yuppers, +10 all the way. I think some of y'all are confusing Natural Selection with Evolution. Natural Selection is the process whereby a species changes over time to react to changes in the environment. What Darwin showed in the Galapagos finches, for example, was that one species could, through natural selection vary greatly, so much so in fact that they lost the ability to be inter-fertile. That is the classic definition of species. Same thing can be found in the Leopard frog population on the East Coast of the US. Frogs from Florida and Main are NOT inter-fertile, and yet if you follow the frogs northward, each population is inter-fertile with its neighbors. Another example of Natural Selection producing new species by the classic definition. The idea that God created a really good set of critters, with the ability to spread out and populate an ever changing world, well, that pretty much defines both "Intelligent design" and "Creation"...and allows room for Natural Selection! Why do we have to fight about this? Natural Selection is a fact of life, like gravity. I can demonstrate it in a few weeks with fruit flies. We can see it happen over a little longer time when we look at the change in the relative numbers of black and grey squirrels in a population, especially as it relates to hunting pressure. Here is an interesting article: http://www.woodlandhabitat.com/articles/black-squirrels.htm Check that one out. For many years it was "good" to be a black squirrel because biologists thought it was a new species...so greys could be shot but not blacks. (Reality, black is just one of the possible color mutations in the Grey squirrel.) With hunting pressure on the greys and not the blacks, there were more blacks to breed, and so there came to be a preponderance of black squirrels...then when the genetics were shuffled out, the hunting ban was lifted. Now there are about equal numbers of both color phases. Let's agree that populations can change over time, call it Natural Selection, teach it as a fact in our schools. I wish we could also teach the truth of Creation in our schools...that would be nice. Oh, one more little wrinkle...if you read Genisus, you will notice that the order of creation is exactly the order prescribed by "evolution", first fishes, then....and if you look at embreology, you will find that the development of a fetus exactly follows the steps outlined in Genesis. At one point mammals have gills, tails, etc. I really believe that God is having a good laugh at our stumbling around in the dark, trying to say EXACTLY what happened/happens! :) Y'all have a great 2012, may the Lord bless you, may the sun shine on you, may your crops get sufficient rain, may your herds increase, may your life be happy and may you find contentment and peace in the love of our Lord and the knowledge that He has paid the price, you only need to accept his gift...that is what Christmas is all about! :) Doc |
| Anax (Seattle, WA) | Posted: May 09, 2012 - 13:57 ubuntourist wrote: Another person hopelessly traumatized by such a happy, loving religion. Uh-huh. Mr. Cash certainly put it to good use artistically, but I listen to this song and think, "Stop it. Just stop buying into this story." |
| DeeCee1109 (People's Republic of A2) | Posted: May 09, 2012 - 13:51 Just awesome. I miss The Man in Black. |
| ubuntourist (Brain-Washington) | Posted: May 09, 2012 - 13:51 Another person hopelessly traumatized by such a happy, loving religion. |
| aspicer (Chicago, IL) | Posted: May 09, 2012 - 13:49 God.....I LOVE this tune! So awesome! |
| Bacadiar | Posted: Feb 20, 2012 - 07:47 I think of the 2004 version of Dawn of the Dead every time I hear this song. |
| Poacher (Brighton, UK) | Posted: Feb 04, 2012 - 11:18 grungepuppy wrote: First of all, Darwin should not be credited with "the theory of evolution." Evolution happens, and has been documented in the lab. Evolution is simply "change over time." Darwin theorized that natural selection was the driving force behind evolution, as the word is applied to life species. So now we must define species. One definition is that organisms of the same species can mate with each other to produce offspring that can also mate and produce similar offspring..... The interesting thing about one species evolving to another is that you can't pinpoint when exactly it happened. Take great danes and chihuahuas. They are different breeds, but not yet different species of dogs. It's not hard to imagine that if you isolated them long enough (tens or hundreds of thousands of years, maybe more) each group's offspring would no longer be able to mate with the other. You won't be able to say the exact second when that happened, because evolution happens over the species, not individuals. At some point a few individuals from each group would not be able to mate with each other. Eventually it would be most, then all of them. We prove Darwin right on a regular basis, by breeding animals for certain traits, and by creating hybrid crops. Even before genetic engineering, certain plants survived better than others because they were desirable to us, so we helped spread them across the earth. As others have stated, keep applying this principle over an amount of time that we can't imagine, and it is quite possible that all life evolved from simple single celled organisms. As groups became more genetically isolated from one another, the evolutionary tree branched. The farther from the shared branching point you are from another species, the more different you are. Tigers and house cats are not as far from their split as humans and mice are. Lastly, we did not evolve "from" modern apes, but rather we evolved along side them. You miss the point that there is no end game in evolution. Nothing is striving to become anything else. Humans are not the ultimate product of evolution. We're one product, and we exist as we are only at this time. We have no idea what different species our current species will evolve to. Well worth a bump. . . |
| KurtfromLaQuinta (Deep in the heart of South California) | Posted: Jan 19, 2012 - 14:24 coy wrote: 'the whirlwind is in the thorn tree' I've found "thorn proof" tubes work well here in the desert.that may explain why i get flat tires on my bike Unless, of course, you ride into a cholla. |
| KurtfromLaQuinta (Deep in the heart of South California) | Posted: Jan 19, 2012 - 14:10 MadDocG wrote: I really believe that God is having a good laugh at our stumbling around in the dark, trying to say EXACTLY what happened/happens! :) No doubt... Ecclesiastes 8: 17 and I saw every work of God, I concluded that man cannot discover the work which has been done under the sun. Even though man should seek laboriously, he will not discover; and though the wise man should say, “I know,” he cannot discover. 1 Corinthians 1: 20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? Romans 1:20-23, 25 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator... |
| coy (san antonio) | Posted: Jan 19, 2012 - 13:39 'the whirlwind is in the thorn tree' that may explain why i get flat tires on my bike |
| LastChance (13,500 feet up (and falling fast)) | Posted: Jan 19, 2012 - 13:36 Teach the truth of creation??? What truth would that be? MadDocG wrote: Lots to reply to here. First and foremost, this song totally blew me away! Never had been exposed to the Christian Cash! WOW! Yuppers, +10 all the way. I think some of y'all are confusing Natural Selection with Evolution. Natural Selection is the process whereby a species changes over time to react to changes in the environment. What Darwin showed in the Galapagos finches, for example, was that one species could, through natural selection vary greatly, so much so in fact that they lost the ability to be inter-fertile. That is the classic definition of species. Same thing can be found in the Leopard frog population on the East Coast of the US. Frogs from Florida and Main are NOT inter-fertile, and yet if you follow the frogs northward, each population is inter-fertile with its neighbors. Another example of Natural Selection producing new species by the classic definition. The idea that God created a really good set of critters, with the ability to spread out and populate an ever changing world, well, that pretty much defines both "Intelligent design" and "Creation"...and allows room for Natural Selection! Why do we have to fight about this? Natural Selection is a fact of life, like gravity. I can demonstrate it in a few weeks with fruit flies. We can see it happen over a little longer time when we look at the change in the relative numbers of black and grey squirrels in a population, especially as it relates to hunting pressure. Here is an interesting article: http://www.woodlandhabitat.com/articles/black-squirrels.htm Check that one out. For many years it was "good" to be a black squirrel because biologists thought it was a new species...so greys could be shot but not blacks. (Reality, black is just one of the possible color mutations in the Grey squirrel.) With hunting pressure on the greys and not the blacks, there were more blacks to breed, and so there came to be a preponderance of black squirrels...then when the genetics were shuffled out, the hunting ban was lifted. Now there are about equal numbers of both color phases. Let's agree that populations can change over time, call it Natural Selection, teach it as a fact in our schools. I wish we could also teach the truth of Creation in our schools...that would be nice. Oh, one more little wrinkle...if you read Genisus, you will notice that the order of creation is exactly the order prescribed by "evolution", first fishes, then....and if you look at embreology, you will find that the development of a fetus exactly follows the steps outlined in Genesis. At one point mammals have gills, tails, etc. I really believe that God is having a good laugh at our stumbling around in the dark, trying to say EXACTLY what happened/happens! :) Y'all have a great 2012, may the Lord bless you, may the sun shine on you, may your crops get sufficient rain, may your herds increase, may your life be happy and may you find contentment and peace in the love of our Lord and the knowledge that He has paid the price, you only need to accept his gift...that is what Christmas is all about! :) Doc |
| shellbella (so california) | Posted: Jan 03, 2012 - 16:26 coy wrote: somebody explained johnny cash to me but i still don't get it Thank you... |
| MadDocG (Long long ago in a galaxy far far away) | Posted: Dec 18, 2011 - 23:21 Lots to reply to here. First and foremost, this song totally blew me away! Never had been exposed to the Christian Cash! WOW! Yuppers, +10 all the way. I think some of y'all are confusing Natural Selection with Evolution. Natural Selection is the process whereby a species changes over time to react to changes in the environment. What Darwin showed in the Galapagos finches, for example, was that one species could, through natural selection vary greatly, so much so in fact that they lost the ability to be inter-fertile. That is the classic definition of species. Same thing can be found in the Leopard frog population on the East Coast of the US. Frogs from Florida and Main are NOT inter-fertile, and yet if you follow the frogs northward, each population is inter-fertile with its neighbors. Another example of Natural Selection producing new species by the classic definition. The idea that God created a really good set of critters, with the ability to spread out and populate an ever changing world, well, that pretty much defines both "Intelligent design" and "Creation"...and allows room for Natural Selection! Why do we have to fight about this? Natural Selection is a fact of life, like gravity. I can demonstrate it in a few weeks with fruit flies. We can see it happen over a little longer time when we look at the change in the relative numbers of black and grey squirrels in a population, especially as it relates to hunting pressure. Here is an interesting article: http://www.woodlandhabitat.com/articles/black-squirrels.htm Check that one out. For many years it was "good" to be a black squirrel because biologists thought it was a new species...so greys could be shot but not blacks. (Reality, black is just one of the possible color mutations in the Grey squirrel.) With hunting pressure on the greys and not the blacks, there were more blacks to breed, and so there came to be a preponderance of black squirrels...then when the genetics were shuffled out, the hunting ban was lifted. Now there are about equal numbers of both color phases. Let's agree that populations can change over time, call it Natural Selection, teach it as a fact in our schools. I wish we could also teach the truth of Creation in our schools...that would be nice. Oh, one more little wrinkle...if you read Genisus, you will notice that the order of creation is exactly the order prescribed by "evolution", first fishes, then....and if you look at embreology, you will find that the development of a fetus exactly follows the steps outlined in Genesis. At one point mammals have gills, tails, etc. I really believe that God is having a good laugh at our stumbling around in the dark, trying to say EXACTLY what happened/happens! :) Y'all have a great 2012, may the Lord bless you, may the sun shine on you, may your crops get sufficient rain, may your herds increase, may your life be happy and may you find contentment and peace in the love of our Lord and the knowledge that He has paid the price, you only need to accept his gift...that is what Christmas is all about! :) Doc |
| grungepuppy (Flagstaff, AZ) | Posted: Nov 17, 2011 - 16:39 Cynaera wrote: Not sure what makes you think I haven't studied the theory of evolution (which Darwin refuted before he died), but we'll skate over that. And yes, there's evidence of evolution, but the archaeological fossil discoveries to this date still have not confirmed that a fish evolved outside its species to become, say, a bird or a turtle. I'd call the sciences of archaeology, biology, chemistry, and physics pretty valid sources for evidence that humans didn't evolve from a single-celled organism. And just for fun, even if mankind DID evolve from an ape, or a single cell, where'd that single cell come from? If you keep asking, "But where did that ________ come from?", eventually you'll trace it back so far that you might be compelled to realize that everything had a beginning, and it wasn't pure chance which put us here. I am currently in the "walking-in-circles-muttering-'wunga-wunga-wunga'-until-I-fall-down" stage of discovery, which probably doesn't lend much credibility to my statements. So, believe what you like, I'll do the same, and we'll both agree that this song is pretty damned good (even if Johnny Cash did evolve from a knuckle-dragging, fur-covered, lice-eating primate.)  First of all, Darwin should not be credited with "the theory of evolution." Evolution happens, and has been documented in the lab. Evolution is simply "change over time." Darwin theorized that natural selection was the driving force behind evolution, as the word is applied to life species. So now we must define species. One definition is that organisms of the same species can mate with each other to produce offspring that can also mate and produce similar offspring..... The interesting thing about one species evolving to another is that you can't pinpoint when exactly it happened. Take great danes and chihuahuas. They are different breeds, but not yet different species of dogs. It's not hard to imagine that if you isolated them long enough (tens or hundreds of thousands of years, maybe more) each group's offspring would no longer be able to mate with the other. You won't be able to say the exact second when that happened, because evolution happens over the species, not individuals. At some point a few individuals from each group would not be able to mate with each other. Eventually it would be most, then all of them. We prove Darwin right on a regular basis, by breeding animals for certain traits, and by creating hybrid crops. Even before genetic engineering, certain plants survived better than others because they were desirable to us, so we helped spread them across the earth. As others have stated, keep applying this principle over an amount of time that we can't imagine, and it is quite possible that all life evolved from simple single celled organisms. As groups became more genetically isolated from one another, the evolutionary tree branched. The farther from the shared branching point you are from another species, the more different you are. Tigers and house cats are not as far from their split as humans and mice are. Lastly, we did not evolve "from" modern apes, but rather we evolved along side them. You miss the point that there is no end game in evolution. Nothing is striving to become anything else. Humans are not the ultimate product of evolution. We're one product, and we exist as we are only at this time. We have no idea what different species our current species will evolve to. |
| fredriley (Nottingham, UK) | Posted: Nov 01, 2011 - 07:22 Cynaera wrote: I shall offer my meager knowledge about evolution. A species CAN evolve, but only within its species. Fossil remains have proven to scientists that evolution from salamander to human does not exist. There are huge gaps between Darwin's theory (and why is Darwin's "theory" allowed as fact in schools while the concept of a Creator is negated?) of evolution and the archaeological discoveries that decry his theory. I'm honestly shocked that you believe this. Still, even Homer nods, as they say. A 'point of order': archaeology is the study of human civilisation and culture. I think you mean 'paleontology', which is the study of fossils. |
| aspicer (Chicago, IL) | Posted: Nov 01, 2011 - 07:21 Why Johnny Cash?! A man who grabbed life by the balls and lived it FULL OUT - with all it's evil, debauchery, glory, and spiritual truth! No regrets, except what he regretted! |
| nagsheadlocal (North Carolina, the new New Jersey) | Posted: Nov 01, 2011 - 07:18 This is one beautifully-produced and -recorded album. The guitar sounds like it's here in my office. |
| helgigermany (Germany) | Posted: Oct 16, 2011 - 13:43 Awful! |
| toomanyollys (51.7663,-0.9270) | Posted: Oct 10, 2011 - 03:39 clymbon wrote: Well, perhaps he wrote that because most your statements are simply repetition of common misconceptions. For example, there HAVE been observed instances of one species evolving into another, both in the lab and in the wild. Just paste the previous sentence into Google if you actually want to do some research on this. But hey, this really does have nothing to do with Johnny Cash. Sorry! Thanks clymbon. As you mention though, this isn't really relevant to Mr Cash, so I shall quieten down! |
| clymbon (northern va suburban hell) | Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 15:03 Cynaera wrote: Not sure what makes you think I haven't studied the theory of evolution ... Well, perhaps he wrote that because most your statements are simply repetition of common misconceptions. For example, there HAVE been observed instances of one species evolving into another, both in the lab and in the wild. Just paste the previous sentence into Google if you actually want to do some research on this. But hey, this really does have nothing to do with Johnny Cash. Sorry! |
| Cynaera (In a hammock under my own vine and fig tree.) | Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 14:09 toomanyollys wrote: Cynaera wrote: I shall offer my meager knowledge about evolution. A species CAN evolve, but only within its species. Fossil remains have proven to scientists that evolution from salamander to human does not exist. There are huge gaps between Darwin's theory (and why is Darwin's "theory" allowed as fact in schools while the concept of a Creator is negated?) of evolution and the archaeological discoveries that decry his theory. I do believe in evolution, to a point. Species were compelled to evolve as much as they could in order to survive the changes around them. Still - if carried to extreme, I shall cite the ever-popular posit: "If human evolved from the apes, why are there still apes?" And I'd carry it a step further: From whence did the apes evolve? It's a deep, sometimes theological discussion, one not really suitable for this forum. I love it that the late Man in Black can still kick anthills. RIP, Mr. Cash. We'll probably be talking about your life, music, and beliefs for as long as we live. I'm sorry if this comes across as mean (I don't intend it to, but it's difficult to get that across the interwebs), but your reply above shows that you really should go and read up on the theory of evolution. Also, the reason it's taught in schools is that there is evidence for it (and nothing that definitively disproves it). The concept of a creator is negated in (most) schools because it has no reliable evidence for it, and a whole lot against. Great song tho :p Not sure what makes you think I haven't studied the theory of evolution (which Darwin refuted before he died), but we'll skate over that. And yes, there's evidence of evolution, but the archaeological fossil discoveries to this date still have not confirmed that a fish evolved outside its species to become, say, a bird or a turtle. I'd call the sciences of archaeology, biology, chemistry, and physics pretty valid sources for evidence that humans didn't evolve from a single-celled organism. And just for fun, even if mankind DID evolve from an ape, or a single cell, where'd that single cell come from? If you keep asking, "But where did that ________ come from?", eventually you'll trace it back so far that you might be compelled to realize that everything had a beginning, and it wasn't pure chance which put us here. I am currently in the "walking-in-circles-muttering-'wunga-wunga-wunga'-until-I-fall-down" stage of discovery, which probably doesn't lend much credibility to my statements. So, believe what you like, I'll do the same, and we'll both agree that this song is pretty damned good (even if Johnny Cash did evolve from a knuckle-dragging, fur-covered, lice-eating primate.) |
| clymbon (northern va suburban hell) | Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 13:58 toomanyollys wrote: Cynaera wrote: I shall offer my meager knowledge about evolution. A species CAN evolve, but only within its species. Fossil remains have proven to scientists that evolution from salamander to human does not exist. There are huge gaps between Darwin's theory (and why is Darwin's "theory" allowed as fact in schools while the concept of a Creator is negated?) of evolution and the archaeological discoveries that decry his theory. I do believe in evolution, to a point. Species were compelled to evolve as much as they could in order to survive the changes around them. Still - if carried to extreme, I shall cite the ever-popular posit: "If human evolved from the apes, why are there still apes?" And I'd carry it a step further: From whence did the apes evolve? It's a deep, sometimes theological discussion, one not really suitable for this forum. I love it that the late Man in Black can still kick anthills. RIP, Mr. Cash. We'll probably be talking about your life, music, and beliefs for as long as we live. I'm sorry if this comes across as mean (I don't intend it to, but it's difficult to get that across the interwebs), but your reply above shows that you really should go and read up on the theory of evolution. Also, the reason it's taught in schools is that there is evidence for it (and nothing that definitively disproves it). The concept of a creator is negated in (most) schools because it has no reliable evidence for it, and a whole lot against. Great song tho :p Agree with toomany - the original poster just needs to do a bit more research. Google will get you there, my friend! I can't resist responding to one thing though. Darwin's theory is taught in schools as just that - a theory. It happens to be a theory with overwhelming evidence, so you might as well accept it as fact until some better theory comes along. That's about as close to a "fact" as you get in science, unlike what you may be used to in church. The reason "creation theory" isn't taught is that there's really no accepted scientific evidence for it. Sorry. Keep it in church, it's not science. But anyway, the main point is that God and religion is a fine topic for a Johnny Cash song - I have no problem with that at all. It's just NOT a topic for science class. |
| donna10707 | Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 13:51 just in time for Rosh Hashana hahaha |
| ortallcowgirl (Globe, Arizona) | Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 13:50 I understand that many think strongly of religion when they hear this song, or get chills. But I hear a man who lived a hard life and finally, as he got older, saw that God was always there. I feel Johnny when he sings this, I feel his pain, his love and his death. Its more about a man in my opinion than a religion. |
| coy (san antonio) | Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 13:47 somebody explained johnny cash to me but i still don't get it |
| wildlewis | Posted: Sep 30, 2011 - 13:46 10+! Awesome! |
| toomanyollys (Bucks) | Posted: Aug 30, 2011 - 05:01 Cynaera wrote: I shall offer my meager knowledge about evolution. A species CAN evolve, but only within its species. Fossil remains have proven to scientists that evolution from salamander to human does not exist. There are huge gaps between Darwin's theory (and why is Darwin's "theory" allowed as fact in schools while the concept of a Creator is negated?) of evolution and the archaeological discoveries that decry his theory. I do believe in evolution, to a point. Species were compelled to evolve as much as they could in order to survive the changes around them. Still - if carried to extreme, I shall cite the ever-popular posit: "If human evolved from the apes, why are there still apes?" And I'd carry it a step further: From whence did the apes evolve? It's a deep, sometimes theological discussion, one not really suitable for this forum. I love it that the late Man in Black can still kick anthills. RIP, Mr. Cash. We'll probably be talking about your life, music, and beliefs for as long as we live. I'm sorry if this comes across as mean (I don't intend it to, but it's difficult to get that across the interwebs), but your reply above shows that you really should go and read up on the theory of evolution. Also, the reason it's taught in schools is that there is evidence for it (and nothing that definitively disproves it). The concept of a creator is negated in (most) schools because it has no reliable evidence for it, and a whole lot against. Great song tho :p |