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| TerryS (Another SW) | Posted: May 17, 2013 - 18:22 It IS necessarily so, just so. This dates from the era when MD actually faced the audience BTW. |
| CopyrightX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CopyrightX) | Posted: Apr 16, 2013 - 10:38 Ah, Miles Davis. Nice. |
| mutepoint | Posted: Nov 10, 2012 - 12:57 Cool. Very cool. And to think, I probably only became aware of this tune after hearing Jimmy Somerville of Bronski Beat's take. Very fine version. |
| Toke (Bournemouth UK) | Posted: Oct 10, 2012 - 04:29 Sasha2001 wrote: It's hard to argue with a statement like this because it's your opinion and because Miles was so HUGE. However, for all of music, much less jazz in particular, this view is problematic. Miles was never the guy who invented new styles or genres, he really was a genius at observing what was going on around him musically and than trying to bring that to a more main stream audience - as was the case with "Kind of Blue" which didn't invent modal jazz, but it brought it into the living rooms of the Frank Sinatra set. Also remember, without Bill Evans on Piano, there is no KOB. As far as musicians go, I think even Miles would admit that he stood on the shoulders of giants like Armstrong, Parker, and Gillespie. But perhaps your central point has more to do with Miles' vast and unique career as a one-of-a-kind collaborator. To that point he arguably stands alone among 20th century musicians - but than all music has an element of collaboration. Can you see why your statements are problematic? Appreciate your comment and taking the time to reply...but... you have totally missed what i was saying .. he Delved into all genre's of music I did not say he created them He did not stay in the one genre but experimented with all kinds with Jazz being the main theme. this he continued all his life never standing still stuck in one form of music. And as for saying the Bill Evans made the Album 'Kind Of Blue' that is not an appropriate statement Bill played piano, Miles played trumpet and together they created the Album so to take either away there of course would be no Album, and I dont agree that they created the Album to target the Frank Sinatra etc. market now that statement to me is 'Problomatic' But you are entitled to your opinions ...and thanks to Bill (RP Bill) I have now dug out the 'Porgy & Bess' Album and am taking it with me on a road trip today. Good listening to all. °º©©º° KJ |
| Sasha2001 (I can see Zabars from my window) | Posted: Jul 07, 2012 - 17:52 Toke wrote: Without doubt Miles was THE musician of this past century, his expertise knows no bounds. I have been an ardent follower of him since the 60's. he never ever stood still and delved into all forms of music and the last studio session he cut an Album with a rap star Easy Mo Bee. I first came accross this track on 'Porgy & Bess' and I urge all serious music fans to buy a copy and follow link to AMG to gain some knowledge of this amazing guy.
It's hard to argue with a statement like this because it's your opinion and because Miles was so HUGE. However, for all of music, much less jazz in particular, this view is problematic. Miles was never the guy who invented new styles or genres, he really was a genius at observing what was going on around him musically and than trying to bring that to a more main stream audience - as was the case with "Kind of Blue" which didn't invent modal jazz, but it brought it into the living rooms of the Frank Sinatra set. Also remember, without Bill Evans on Piano, there is no KOB. As far as musicians go, I think even Miles would admit that he stood on the shoulders of giants like Armstrong, Parker, and Gillespie. But perhaps your central point has more to do with Miles' vast and unique career as a one-of-a-kind collaborator. To that point he arguably stands alone among 20th century musicians - but than all music has an element of collaboration. Can you see why your statements are problematic? |
| Jeff09 (Gainesville, Florida) | Posted: Jul 07, 2012 - 17:08 Some people have talked about Miles' "discordant" arrangements. Actually, I'm pretty sure that Gil Evans was the arranger on this and several other famous cuts. They collaborated on at least three albums. Miles did his improvisational thing within structures that were created (and directed) by Evans. And I agree with several others here...the arrangements are sublime. |
| mgoldman (Wherever you Go, There You Are) | Posted: Jul 07, 2012 - 17:01 jadewahoo wrote: Miles Davis, May 26, 1926  He looks pretty good there for just being born. The color is also great for 1926....  |
| On_The_Beach (The Blue Planet) | Posted: Jun 05, 2012 - 22:57 Toke wrote: Without doubt Miles was THE musician of this past century, his expertise knows no bounds. I have been an ardent follower of him since the 60's. he never ever stood still and delved into all forms of music and the last studio session he cut an Album with a rap star Easy Mo Bee. I first came accross this track on 'Porgy & Bess' and I urge all serious music fans to buy a copy and follow link to AMG to gain some knowledge of this amazing guy.  |
| hbs47 (SE England) | Posted: Apr 03, 2012 - 11:56 Wow a MD track I almost liked! |
| TerryS (Another SW) | Posted: Mar 02, 2012 - 19:18 Oh yes it is. |
| TerryS (Another SW) | Posted: Mar 02, 2012 - 19:17 Oh yes it is. |
| Bleyfusz | Posted: Jan 31, 2012 - 03:01 Canlistener wrote: Like others here I'm not a jazz fan, but I really enjoy this. The big band sound is nice and it's not 'too jazzy' if that even makes sense? Not very much so, if you ask me. Edit: Well, yes, it does, etymologically, if you understand jazzy as a synonym of wild; because a Big Band usually sounds rather smooth. Yeah, I can see what you mean. |
| Canlistener (Ontario Canada) | Posted: Dec 30, 2011 - 08:32 Like others here I'm not a jazz fan, but I really enjoy this. The big band sound is nice and it's not 'too jazzy' if that even makes sense? |
| cc_rider (Austin Texas. Y'all.) | Posted: Nov 28, 2011 - 14:55 Wow. |
| (former member) | Posted: Jul 25, 2011 - 13:59 Axelito wrote: Just wanted to rate it 1but i already did..god!!..i hate jazz... JOHNNY?!? |
| Axelito (France) | Posted: Nov 01, 2010 - 17:33 Just wanted to rate it 1but i already did..god!!..i hate jazz... |
| Dinges,_the_Dude (under sea-level, N52°22', E4°52') | Posted: Oct 01, 2010 - 02:18 Great, I like also the big band tunes. |
| helgigermany (Germany) | Posted: Jun 27, 2010 - 05:24 Not a big Jazz Fan, but this is nice! |
| jadewahoo (Beautiful Earth) | Posted: May 26, 2010 - 09:30 Miles Davis, May 26, 1926 |
| Rotterdam | Posted: Jan 20, 2010 - 01:35 Xeric wrote: Okay, jazz people, I gots a question. When this is just Miles on the trumpet, it's pretty cool. Why, then, when the rest of the band comes in, is it necessary that they play chords that are so bloody jarringly gratingly awfully murderously horrendously discordant? Fun with adjectives, by my question is serious. Anybody know where this part of the tradition came from? OK, here's my take, for what it's worth: Miles' playing is pure and sublime, and when the big band chimes in, it is a loud and complicated sound. So the juxtaposition is jarring. I love it, but I can understand that it might not be to your taste. |
| WonderLizard (2,755.46 mi. due east of Paradise) | Posted: Dec 19, 2009 - 15:38 Xeric wrote: Okay, jazz people, I gots a question. When this is just Miles on the trumpet, it's pretty cool. Why, then, when the rest of the band comes in, is it necessary that they play chords that are so bloody jarringly gratingly awfully murderously horrendously discordant? Fun with adjectives, by my question is serious. Anybody know where this part of the tradition came from? Sorry, but unless my musician's ear has suddenly gone dead—and both my wife and daughter have asserted this lately when I sing Christmas carols—but, I'm sorry, I just don't hear one discordant chord in this. Yes, Miles charts some minor thirds and fifths in otherwise major chords, but all that does is make another chord. You want discordant, try Stockhausen or some free jazz. This is pretty tame by those standards. |
| WonderLizard (2,755.46 mi. due east of Paradise) | Posted: Dec 19, 2009 - 15:31 randerse10 wrote: *adverbs. Fun with adverbs. :D Xeric wrote: Okay, jazz people, I gots a question. When this is just Miles on the trumpet, it's pretty cool. Why, then, when the rest of the band comes in, is it necessary that they play chords that are so bloody jarringly gratingly awfully murderously horrendously discordant? Fun with adjectives, by my question is serious. Anybody know where this part of the tradition came from? |
| randerse10 | Posted: Nov 18, 2009 - 05:44 *adverbs. Fun with adverbs. :D Xeric wrote: Okay, jazz people, I gots a question. When this is just Miles on the trumpet, it's pretty cool. Why, then, when the rest of the band comes in, is it necessary that they play chords that are so bloody jarringly gratingly awfully murderously horrendously discordant? Fun with adjectives, by my question is serious. Anybody know where this part of the tradition came from? |
| Toke (Bournemouth UK) | Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 05:26 pdjpirate wrote:  Proof that there is a God! Bill, you need to add Miles' "So What!" with Coltrane...THE ULTIMATE!! Here is the Video on You Tube.... (click here) Hey Thanx PD for the link am DL'ing now. How Cool is that man . Takes a smoke break whilst Coltrane is doing his piece..lol... that was the days before 'Chewing Gum' lol |
| Toke (Bournemouth UK) | Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 05:11 Without doubt Miles was THE musician of this past century, his expertise knows no bounds. I have been an ardent follower of him since the 60's. he never ever stood still and delved into all forms of music and the last studio session he cut an Album with a rap star Easy Mo Bee. I first came accross this track on 'Porgy & Bess' and I urge all serious music fans to buy a copy and follow link to AMG to gain some knowledge of this amazing guy. |
| ProgFusion | Posted: Jun 13, 2009 - 06:24 Aegean wrote: Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring!  Instead of blaming the song, why don't you just admit that you don't like jazz? |
| jedley (milan, italy) | Posted: Mar 10, 2009 - 10:07 Very nice follow-up for Moondance, about 5 tunes back. |
| (former member) (hotel in Las Vegas) | Posted: Mar 10, 2009 - 10:05 Miles Davis is so smooth... great music... |
| fredriley (Nottingham, UK) | Posted: Jan 06, 2009 - 04:42 Can we have the original Gershwin number from Porgy and Bess (I think it was), rather than this super-jazzified, positively baroque version? I remember playing Gershwin numbers in our school band back in the day and they were fun, all raucous energy and couldn't-give-a-stuff-ness. This is supercool, daddy-o, but the sort of thing that you sit in some smoky bar clicking your fingers and nodding your head to with all the other cool jazz fans. Us non-sophisto plebs prefer the get up and boogie version :) |
| philb1 | Posted: Oct 03, 2008 - 11:21 Pretty damn faultless all round, Miles lets it all hang out and the band support superbly |
| Kittee (NC- Dreaming of the Mountains) | Posted: Oct 03, 2008 - 11:18 *taps toes* |
| lathyris (Houston, TX) | Posted: Aug 01, 2008 - 06:49 redeyespy wrote: Miles was always looking to break with convention, and the only tradition from which this could derive is the very one that tries to subvert the rules, including this popular notion that music has to be euphonious. If this is "bloody jarringly...." to you, you might also want to avoid the works of Albert Ayler, Brotzman, even later period Coltrane. Man, I just don't hear it — this song is beauty musicified to my ears. Maybe my ears are tuned to discordant. . .?  |
| redeyespy (Clandestined in the bamboo thicket.) | Posted: Jul 06, 2008 - 19:49 Xeric wrote: Okay, jazz people, I gots a question. When this is just Miles on the trumpet, it's pretty cool. Why, then, when the rest of the band comes in, is it necessary that they play chords that are so bloody jarringly gratingly awfully murderously horrendously discordant?
Fun with adjectives, by my question is serious. Anybody know where this part of the tradition came from? Miles was always looking to break with convention, and the only tradition from which this could derive is the very one that tries to subvert the rules, including this popular notion that music has to be euphonious. If this is "bloody jarringly...." to you, you might also want to avoid the works of Albert Ayler, Brotzman, even later period Coltrane. |
| pdjpirate (Near the Graveyard of the Atlantic!) | Posted: Jun 30, 2008 - 18:18 Xeric wrote: Okay, jazz people, I gots a question. When this is just Miles on the trumpet, it's pretty cool. Why, then, when the rest of the band comes in, is it necessary that they play chords that are so bloody jarringly gratingly awfully murderously horrendously discordant?
Fun with adjectives, by my question is serious. Anybody know where this part of the tradition came from? OK, I will give this one a go.  I think that Miles was magnanimous when it came to music, especially inviting a select few to play with him. There in lies the fallacy, I would propose that no one could play with Miles. Thus, any attempt would be discordant.
Now, I do not necessarily believe this shit, I just think it may help you explain yourself, when you bring this topic up over cocktails!  |
| Xeric (Up on the Roof) | Posted: Jun 30, 2008 - 17:48 Okay, jazz people, I gots a question. When this is just Miles on the trumpet, it's pretty cool. Why, then, when the rest of the band comes in, is it necessary that they play chords that are so bloody jarringly gratingly awfully murderously horrendously discordant? Fun with adjectives, by my question is serious. Anybody know where this part of the tradition came from? |
| n4ku | Posted: May 30, 2008 - 06:57 The definition of  . |
| Steve (In The Shadow Of The Superstition Mountains) | Posted: Apr 28, 2008 - 19:07 This song really bugs me! I can't stop my feet from tapping the floor. I can't stop twisting back and forth in my chair. I can't stop playing air drums. I can't stop flipping my head to the right side every time that stick hits the snare. I can't rate it any higher than a 10. Frustrating I tell ya, frustrating!  |
| pdjpirate (Near the Graveyard of the Atlantic!) | Posted: Feb 25, 2008 - 19:09 Proof that there is a God!
Bill, you need to add Miles' "So What!" with Coltrane...THE ULTIMATE!! Here is the Video on You Tube.... (click here) |
| electronicshaman (miskatonic) | Posted: Feb 25, 2008 - 18:57 I totally agree with physics genius. Traffic paintings are food and well presented ears are noise. |
| AlienRelic (east of Eden) | Posted: Aug 21, 2007 - 07:45 buddy wrote: 90% of this post is crap. Well the guy did say "All jazz sucks, without exception." in a post about Dave Brubeck's "Take Five", so what do you expect? |
| maxmox (Broome, Western Australia) | Posted: Jun 19, 2007 - 09:56 physicsgenius wrote: This is like judging food not based on taste or nutrition, but on presentation. Why not just put out paintings of food at that point? Likewise, if jazz isn't constrained by rhythm or melody, why not just play 10 minutes of traffic noise and call it music? It's just as easy on the ear and a lot cheaper to produce. You're obviously eating paintings and noting that passing traffic is melodic. Such a serious insect. |
| maxmox (Broome, Western Australia) | Posted: Jun 19, 2007 - 09:51 lmic wrote: Oy. That squishing sound you hear is Julia Child rolling over in her grave. First: Presentation is *crucial* in cuisine. Second only to smell in creating what we know as "taste." Second: Since music is, if you will, "only" presentation - having no "tangible" component, it is the essence of the craft. Sheesh. Don't know whether I'm more frustrated by that silly comment, or by my getting finally drawn into a PG-generated fake controversy. Don't get frustrated, get even. Didn't you mean |
| MylenerHead (Somewhere In the South) | Posted: Jun 19, 2007 - 09:49 pherthyl wrote: *sigh*
I guess I just don't get the appeal. It's like when someone says they don't like tomatoes and I just can't understand why. I mean, what's not to like? Apparently there is a substance in tomatoes that only a few people can taste and it tastes bad. Well it seems there is something about jazz that tastes bad to me but most people apparently can't taste it. Ahwell, I'll leave the tomatoes to you guys to appreciate and munch on my cucumber instead. Well that came out wrong, but you get the idea. I understand completely. I think it's the horn that just goes straight through to a portion of brain matter that sends it into a frenzy and not a good frenzy. |
| dionysius (The People's Republic of Austin) | Posted: Jun 19, 2007 - 09:46 Some may notice that part of the bassline/rhythm riff here was stolen by Van Morrison for "Moondance"--not that I blame him for stealing from the best. |
| petercroob (Houston, Texas) | Posted: Jun 19, 2007 - 09:46 Miles Davis virgin, and slightly embarassed by that fact *listening intensely* |
| MtnGoat (Kill your radio!) | Posted: Apr 17, 2007 - 13:38 pherthyl wrote: *sigh*
I guess I just don't get the appeal. It's like when someone says they don't like tomatoes and I just can't understand why. I mean, what's not to like? Apparently there is a substance in tomatoes that only a few people can taste and it tastes bad. Well it seems there is something about jazz that tastes bad to me but most people apparently can't taste it. Ahwell, I'll leave the tomatoes to you guys to appreciate and munch on my cucumber instead. Well that came out wrong, but you get the idea. Not really, I hear ya. I've got plenty of years of classical music training, but I, for the life of me, can't get into opera or ballet. I know it's probably beautiful, and on a purely performance scale it's fascinating. But I'm quickly bored to tears at a performance and wonder what the heck they're dancin' and wailin' about. |
| KSC (Edmonton, Alberta Canada) | Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 07:32 Jacksonstat wrote: You and Bill must think alike! He followed this up with Moondance today.  One of the things that made Van Morrison a genius is that he only stole from the best. |
| fretman | Posted: Jan 30, 2007 - 07:31 It ain't necessarily Moondance, listen to the melody he's belting out- the old blues number is almost intact, under layers of cool. Cool. Moondance starts in the same key, but its a totally different progression, and definitely not as cool, cool tho' it art, as cool it ain't. Miles has Van on Cool. Van may have Miles on Mysticality. But there's only a hundred or so other tunes that sound like what Moondance was derived from. But don't ever look at Song for My Father by Horace Silver and Steely Dan's "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" as chicken-or-egg... nope. |
| pherthyl (Victoria, BC) | Posted: Jan 15, 2007 - 16:54 *sigh* I guess I just don't get the appeal. It's like when someone says they don't like tomatoes and I just can't understand why. I mean, what's not to like? Apparently there is a substance in tomatoes that only a few people can taste and it tastes bad. Well it seems there is something about jazz that tastes bad to me but most people apparently can't taste it. Ahwell, I'll leave the tomatoes to you guys to appreciate and munch on my cucumber instead. Well that came out wrong, but you get the idea. |
| Jacksonstat (Columbus OH) | Posted: Jan 15, 2007 - 16:50 newwavegurly wrote: Okay, so I know Miles Davis was making music first, but does anybody else hear some underlying orchestration that sounds like "Moondance" by Van Morrison?
 You and Bill must think alike! He followed this up with Moondance today. |