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fhaisi
(Melbourne, Australia)
Posted: Aug 25, 2017 3:11
 

I always thought it was about Edie Sedgewick.
LYS
(nearby)
Posted: Jul 25, 2017 10:57
 

Thanks for your comment about this, BillG.
 
BillG wrote:

I figure that she's describing an overbearing 'I'm just as macho as any man' kind of woman. I've heard the term used in that way before, and that fits better with the narrative of the song than the interpretation above.  If I felt she was using the term as speculated above then I wouldn't play it. 

 


danfl75
(Hogtownne FL)
Posted: Apr 23, 2017 8:44
 

This discussion reminds me of an old, great TV show: "Not that there's anything wrong with that". It what people say when they know they should be accepting, but the best they can muster is tolerance. Hmm, maybe that's what Martha was saying in another way. We all learn in our own time and way.
Grammarcop
(A place with fresh water and great beer)
Posted: Nov 22, 2016 11:35
 

I still like this. 
justin4kick
(The Netherlands)
Posted: Jun 02, 2016 7:08
 

 cc_rider wrote:

I think it is a somewhat derogatory reference to a transgendered person. Not a transvestite. Different things.
It so happens there is an RPeep who is transgendered and is a talented woodworker/cabinetmaker. She works in a small factory. I think of her as a dear friend, which is why that line bothers me no end. Nobody wants to hear their friend insulted for just being herself, right?

That said, I like Martha Wainwright, her brother, and even their Dad. Doesn't make that line bother me any less though.

Peace,
c.

 
You call qualifying others as "not my kind of people" as derogatory? I think Martha's lyrics are about an occasion that she has run into group of people that she isn't feeling comfortable with. Nothing wrong with that. So I really don't understand the discussion on this page.
ScottFromWyoming
(Powell)
Posted: May 02, 2014 13:55
 

 cc_rider wrote:

Definitely derogatory. Unless Martha herself is one (she isn't), it can't possibly be SELF-denigrating.
 
 
The song is first-person, but that doesn't mean it's about Martha. Doi.
 
I think the person in the story is talking about herself. 
Lacapella
(Lost in France....)
Posted: Feb 28, 2014 9:13
 

 BillG wrote:

I figure that she's describing an overbearing 'I'm just as macho as any man' kind of woman. I've heard the term used in that way before, and that fits better with the narrative of the song than the interpretation above.  If I felt she was using the term as speculated above then I wouldn't play it. 
 
My interpretation too, and I also think she's referring to herself. Martha's lyrics are often harder on herself than on others - even in B.M.F.A.
BillG
(Paradise, CA)
Posted: Jan 26, 2014 17:48
 

 cc_rider wrote:

I think it is a somewhat derogatory reference to a transgendered person. Not a transvestite. Different things.
It so happens there is an RPeep who is transgendered and is a talented woodworker/cabinetmaker. She works in a small factory. I think of her as a dear friend, which is why that line bothers me no end. Nobody wants to hear their friend insulted for just being herself, right?

That said, I like Martha Wainwright, her brother, and even their Dad. Doesn't make that line bother me any less though.

Peace,
c.

 
I figure that she's describing an overbearing 'I'm just as macho as any man' kind of woman. I've heard the term used in that way before, and that fits better with the narrative of the song than the interpretation above.  If I felt she was using the term as speculated above then I wouldn't play it. 
cc_rider
(Austin Texas. Y'all.)
Posted: Aug 14, 2013 8:14
 

 softjeans wrote:
 Is it derogatory or self-denigrating? Or a nervy identification w/a outsider group? I'm not sure, but I think there's a ballsiness there that's actually kind of punk. 
 
Definitely derogatory. Unless Martha herself is one (she isn't), it can't possibly be SELF-denigrating.

Sure, it's ballsy and it's punk, but the line offends the people it refers to. Which itself is not especially unusual in any art form, but it's no less offensive. Again, I do not appreciate my friends (or anybody, really) being referred to in derogatory terms. I'm disgusted by any art that stoops to such antics. Martha is certainly not the most egregious, not by a long shot, and I think that line is an anomaly among her work.

I still like Martha. I'm not condemning her body of work over one line. I'm just saying, I know the people she's talking about: smart, strong people who have more courage than I can imagine. I do not appreciate hearing them dismissed so cavalierly.

Peace,
c. 
softjeans
(Upper Ojai, CA)
Posted: Apr 14, 2013 13:48
 

 cc_rider wrote:

I think it is a somewhat derogatory reference to a transgendered person. Not a transvestite. Different things.
It so happens there is an RPeep who is transgendered and is a talented woodworker/cabinetmaker. She works in a small factory. I think of her as a dear friend, which is why that line bothers me no end. Nobody wants to hear their friend insulted for just being herself, right?

That said, I like Martha Wainwright, her brother, and even their Dad. Doesn't make that line bother me any less though.

Peace,
c.

  Is it derogatory or self-denigrating? Or a nervy identification w/a outsider group? I'm not sure, but I think there's a ballsiness there that's actually kind of punk. 

cc_rider
(Austin Texas. Y'all.)
Posted: Dec 05, 2012 8:51
 

 Byronape wrote:
It's "The chick with a dick and a gift for the gab".

I'm hoping that it isn't literal and is instead either a reference to a very masculine woman or a very effeminate chatty guy.

Nothing against transvestites, I just don't think very many will be working in factories.  But I could be wrong, according to my wife it happens all the time.
 
I think it is a somewhat derogatory reference to a transgendered person. Not a transvestite. Different things.
It so happens there is an RPeep who is transgendered and is a talented woodworker/cabinetmaker. She works in a small factory. I think of her as a dear friend, which is why that line bothers me no end. Nobody wants to hear their friend insulted for just being herself, right?

That said, I like Martha Wainwright, her brother, and even their Dad. Doesn't make that line bother me any less though.

Peace,
c.
Hannio
(Austin, TX)
Posted: Dec 05, 2012 8:46
 

 Byronape wrote:

It's "The chick with a dick and a gift for the gab".

I'm hoping that it isn't literal and is instead either a reference to a very masculine woman or a very effeminate chatty guy.

Nothing against transvestites, I just don't think very many will be working in factories.  But I could be wrong, according to my wife it happens all the time.

 
 

I attended a graduate seminar given by a female math professor from a university to the east of us.  There was something quite odd about her that I couldn't put my finger on.  (Besides the fact that she used tree, house, dog and cat as variables instead of x, y, sigma or epsilon.)   I mentioned it to the department secretary and she said it might have something to do with the fact that she was a he back when he/she was a graduate student.  That explained everything.
lemmoth
(NYC)
Posted: Dec 05, 2012 8:41
 

Always liked this tune.  Saw her open for Television once.  Overshadowed by her more famous family members but this is a fine tune.
WonderLizard
(2,755.46 mi. due east of Paradise)
Posted: Oct 03, 2012 15:27
 

fredriley wrote:
"Shake with the dick, for the giff and the gaff" - wtf?? Best get my ear trumpet out...
 
Byronape wrote:

It's "The chick with a dick and a gift for the gab".

I'm hoping that it isn't literal and is instead either a reference to a very masculine woman or a very effeminate chatty guy.

Nothing against transvestites, I just don't think very many will be working in factories.  But I could be wrong, according to my wife it happens all the time.

 
 
In the business world it's an unflattering description of an aggressive woman who competes for equal footing with men. I'd suggest that it's the men's description...
Byronape
("post-capitalist wreckageville")
Posted: Jul 01, 2012 5:16
 

 fredriley wrote:
"Shake with the dick, for the giff and the gaff" - wtf?? Best get my ear trumpet out...
 
It's "The chick with a dick and a gift for the gab".

I'm hoping that it isn't literal and is instead either a reference to a very masculine woman or a very effeminate chatty guy.

Nothing against transvestites, I just don't think very many will be working in factories.  But I could be wrong, according to my wife it happens all the time.

 
stackarukk
Posted: May 07, 2012 9:51
 

I hear ya...

 
MediaGrrl wrote:
I think she caught me in the right mood, cause this song is just carrying me along....
 


MediaGrrl
(Yank in Denmark)
Posted: May 03, 2012 6:40
 

I think she caught me in the right mood, cause this song is just carrying me along....
hippiechick
(topsy turvy land)
Posted: May 03, 2012 6:38
 

Do not like
meinthecorner
(Past the gravy, far beyond the golden fries)
Posted: Mar 27, 2012 20:26
 

 rickf wrote:
{#Biggrin} Nice to catch this. Haven't heard for a while & I uploaded it :-) I feel rather blessed today as 2 of the last 7 songs were my uploads AND I was listening. 4th of July bonus (and I'm not an American) :-)

 
Thanks for the upload. I love this album of hers. It's been a while.
RKeaton
(South of Paradise)
Posted: Mar 27, 2012 20:17
 

Oh my Oh my Oh my...it's the amazing Ms Wainwright.
That_SOB
(In at least 2 places at once)
Posted: Feb 25, 2012 3:58
 

 GuiltyFeat wrote:
 It's the second best song on the album after "Bloody Motherfucking Asshole"
 
So this is who Katy Perry is channeling ...

Dalebarely
Posted: Jan 24, 2012 11:10
 

 LeKing56 wrote:

Totally agree !
 
Maybe that photo... not at all in reality

LeKing56
Posted: Jan 24, 2012 11:08
 

 4merdj wrote:
P.S. She kind-a looks like Mariah Carey doesn't she? {#Whistle}
 
Totally agree !
cc_rider
(Austin Texas. Y'all.)
Posted: Jan 24, 2012 11:04
 

 fredriley wrote:
"Shake with the dick, for the giff and the gaff" - wtf?? Best get my ear trumpet out...
  Um, yeah.


ThePoose
(Ottawa, capital of Canada)
Posted: Dec 28, 2011 10:43
 

Ooooh, touchy, touchy. My point was that Martha and Rufous have not just one talented singer-songwriter for a parent, but TWO. I was not implying that you were unaware of their family.

 peyotecoyote wrote:


and because by "family" i think i covered that aspect of the question {#Doh}
 

musicology
Posted: Dec 28, 2011 10:39
 

wow. 6.9 avg? tough audience...
fredriley
(Nottingham, UK)
Posted: Oct 26, 2011 2:28
 

"Shake with the dick, for the giff and the gaff" - wtf?? Best get my ear trumpet out...
Proclivities
(Carrboro, NC)
Posted: Sep 28, 2011 11:11
 

 alanthecowboy wrote:

After about 20 times hearing this, my 5-year old daughter finally asked me what a 'chick with a dick' was.  I didn't know how to explain that to her, so I told her to ask her grandparents....

 
I'm sure they were charmed and flattered by your referral.

eroz
(Boston)
Posted: Jun 17, 2011 7:41
 

Rainy Friday here in Boston. This song and Martha's voice suit the mood...in a good way.
alanthecowboy
(Lakefield)
Posted: Jun 01, 2011 12:49
 

 Grammarcop wrote:

She wanted to write "the chick with the hotel detective and the gift for the gab," but it just didn't sound right.
 
After about 20 times hearing this, my 5-year old daughter finally asked me what a 'chick with a dick' was.  I didn't know how to explain that to her, so I told her to ask her grandparents....

Grammarcop
(The end of the Pointe)
Posted: May 16, 2011 17:32
 

Article on memorial concert for Martha's mom, Kate McGarrigle, in this morning's New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/16/arts/music/a-celebration-of-kate-mcgarrigle-at-town-hall-review.html?_r=1 

GuiltyFeat
(Ra'anana)
Posted: Jan 31, 2011 4:02
 

I am enormously fond of this song. It's the second best song on the album after "Bloody Motherfucking Asshole" which I understand is unlikely to make the Radio Paradise playlist.

lemmoth
(NYC)
Posted: Dec 15, 2010 7:59
 

I really like this song.  Had the oppty to see Martha as an opening act.  She doesn't have the powerful pipes of her brother or even her mom but she is an interesting performer.


Danimal174
(Upstate South Carolina)
Posted: Dec 10, 2010 11:30
 

I've dropped the rating of this every time I've caught it on here. I didn't mind this song the first time I heard it, but each listen makes me dislike it more. I'm usually a fan of folky female singer-songwriter types, but this one just doesn't do it for me.


peyotecoyote
(London, Ontario)
Posted: Nov 24, 2010 13:02
 

 ThePoose wrote:

Because both parents of Martha and Rufus are talented, renowned musicians and songwriters.
 

and because by "family" i think i covered that aspect of the question {#Doh}
4merdj
(donde el viento se devuelve)
Posted: Nov 24, 2010 12:46
 

Upper 7! Nicely interpreted and arranged ... (the "oohhs-awhhh" prevented the 8) {#Devil_pimp}

P.S. She kind-a looks like Mariah Carey doesn't she? {#Whistle}
Grammarcop
(The Paris of the Midwest)
Posted: Oct 28, 2010 12:16
 

 Marr wrote:
So where is all the outrage seen over Metric's use of the f-bomb when Martha sings
"These are not my people, I should never have come here. The chick with a dick and the gift for the gab"?
Or is that a metaphorical dick and thus different?

 
She wanted to write "the chick with the hotel detective and the gift for the gab," but it just didn't sound right.


gatorade
(Ocean Park, WA)
Posted: Jul 24, 2010 19:37
 

Just upped it to a hard 8.
steeler
(Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth)
Posted: Jul 13, 2010 6:26
 

simply intriguing
rickf
(Ottawa)
Posted: Jul 04, 2010 7:27
 

{#Biggrin} Nice to catch this. Haven't heard for a while & I uploaded it :-) I feel rather blessed today as 2 of the last 7 songs were my uploads AND I was listening. 4th of July bonus (and I'm not an American) :-)

ick
(S.E. La Jolla)
Posted: Jun 07, 2010 8:41
 

 cc_rider wrote:

There ARE people who are outraged. Well, if not outraged, upset with Martha's characterization. Regarding the f-bomb, it has appeared in pop music going way back. It is in The Who's 'Who Are You', among others. Why there's such a fuss now, I don't know.

 
Because the pussification of this planet continues with people that have become way too sensitive and that somehow feel the need to "look after" the rest of us and foist upon us their own sensibilities

peacockangel
(Phoenix)
Posted: Jun 07, 2010 8:37
 

 zipper wrote:
Love.
 
Love.

zipper
Posted: Jun 02, 2010 11:24
 

Love.
cc_rider
(Austin Texas. Y'all.)
Posted: Jun 02, 2010 11:22
 

 Marr wrote:
So where is all the outrage seen over Metric's use of the f-bomb when Martha sings
"These are not my people, I should never have come here. The chick with a dick and the gift for the gab"?
Or is that a metaphorical dick and thus different?

 
There ARE people who are outraged. Well, if not outraged, upset with Martha's characterization. Regarding the f-bomb, it has appeared in pop music going way back. It is in The Who's 'Who Are You', among others. Why there's such a fuss now, I don't know.

sirdroseph
(Tokyo)
Posted: May 17, 2010 12:41
 

Meh{#Rolleyes}
Marr
(Houston (dreaming of Austin))
Posted: May 17, 2010 12:41
 

So where is all the outrage seen over Metric's use of the f-bomb when Martha sings
"These are not my people, I should never have come here. The chick with a dick and the gift for the gab"?
Or is that a metaphorical dick and thus different?

jagdriver
(Just a nod and a wink south of Paradise)
Posted: May 10, 2010 16:14
 

Nice video (Crawdaddy)
gatorade
(Ocean Park, WA)
Posted: May 01, 2010 18:12
 

 savoyard wrote:
Excellent Album....{#Clap}
 
I'd like to hear RP play more off of it. 
MayBaby
(Savannah, Georgia)
Posted: Mar 08, 2010 8:11
 

{#Wave}{#Good-vibes}
Mari
(île de lesvos)
Posted: Mar 04, 2010 7:49
 

 hopper99 wrote

Mari, where are you?
 
here am i!  {#High-five} from factory to factory!