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haresfur
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Beaker
Location: Your safe space
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Cult.
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R_P
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westslope
Location: BC sage brush steppe
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westslope
Location: BC sage brush steppe
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Go ahead R_P. Blame the supplier, not the user.
Finger point like a MAGA Republican. It suits you well.
More narcissistic virtue signalling will definitely save the planet.
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R_P
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Aug 15, 2023 - 7:03pm |
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R_P
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Aug 15, 2023 - 3:17pm |
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rgio wrote:
To be clear...2 climate scientists.
And nowhere near the top. Arguably a meteorologist isn't one either.
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Aug 15, 2023 - 3:12pm |
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C'mon, guys... y'all know climate change is a libtard, psychobabble oil-hatin' hoax! Drill, baby, drill!
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rgio
Location: West Jersey Gender:
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Aug 15, 2023 - 2:54pm |
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westslope wrote:
To be clear...2 climate scientists.
#1 - Cliff Mass
University of Washington Meteorologist Cliff Mass,
something of a big deal in the Pacific Northwest weather scene and bit
player in the climate denial world as someone whoâs not-a-denier-but-is-someone-deniers-love, wrote a (now-thrice-edited) blog post comparing the Black Lives Matter protesters in Seattle to the Brownshirts and Nazis who carried out Kristallnacht, calling photos of the two events âeerily similar.â
#2 - John Christy
During the Trump presidency, Christy
helped to compile an analysis for the Environmental Protection Agency.
When presenting his analysis to the EPAâs board, he made the claim that
carbon levels simply do not affect the climate in a notable way. Christy concluded that restrictions did
not matter since carbon levels do not affect the environment anyway.
Christyâs stance on climate change
puts him at odds with many colleagues. The vast majority of climate
scientists readily admit that climate change is real, and much of the
disagreement revolves around climate models constructed by scientists to
project future climate trends based on current climate action. Most
climate projection models that scientists agree on are brushed off by
Christy as not fully realized and he holds that the warming trends they
project are nothing to worry about. In his own words: âThereâs a climate establishment, and Iâm not in itâ.
Sure...it's not about politics... it just aligns so well.
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ScottFromWyoming
Location: Powell Gender:
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Aug 15, 2023 - 12:31pm |
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westslope wrote:satellite data apparently suggests that the proportion of the earth burning up in wildfires has been steadily trending down over the past few decades.
The proportion of earth capable of supporting wildfires has been steadily trending down over the past few decades.
westslope wrote:Media coverage has dramatically climbed.
An absolutely worthless comment designed to sow doubt or seem authoritative. Unprovable and unknowable since the actual definition of "media coverage" is so vastly different from just one decade ago, let alone a few.
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R_P
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Aug 15, 2023 - 12:05pm |
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westslope
Location: BC sage brush steppe
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Aug 15, 2023 - 11:52am |
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Top climate scientists rubbish claims July was the hottest month ever
I would add that many farmers and ranchers appear to not believe the hype. Common question: Were the Dirty 30s caused by human-driven climate change? (Or words to that effect.)
A First Nation friend told me a few weeks ago that things were just as hot when he was growing up and the elders talk about things being just as hot pre- and early contact. That's anecdotal evidence, no more, no less.
The wildfires across North American this summer, especially in eastern Canada, are indeed impressive. Then there were several years of massive wildfires in western North America during the early part of 20th century. On top of that, satellite data apparently suggests that the proportion of the earth burning up in wildfires has been steadily trending down over the past few decades. Media coverage has dramatically climbed.
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R_P
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Aug 15, 2023 - 11:48am |
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westslope wrote:
You treat some scientific consensus like it was a religious certainty and all you will do is provoke significant blowback. Thus slowing the transition even more.
Straw man echoes of "climate religion" by the other people. I thought denier dinosaurs had gone extinct by now...
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westslope
Location: BC sage brush steppe
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Aug 15, 2023 - 11:43am |
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R_P: A no-regret climate policies were proposed by economists towards the beginning of the century. It took into account the significant uncertainty regarding climate forecasts but called for radical reductions in fossil fuel consumption primarily for health reasons but also for other economic reasons.
Nobody listened.
You treat some scientific consensus like it was a religious certainty and all you will do is provoke significant blowback. Thus slowing the transition even more.
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R_P
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Aug 15, 2023 - 9:00am |
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Letâs face it. The claim of uncertainty is a common argument against taking action on any prediction of future harm. âHow do you know, for sure?â. âThat might not happen.â âItâs possible that it will be harmlessâ, etc. It takes on many forms, and it can be hard to argue against. Usually, it takes a lot more time, space, and effort to debunk the claims than it takes to make them in the first place.
It even has a technical term: FUD.
Acronym of Fear, uncertainty, and doubt, a marketing strategy involving the spread of worrisome information or rumors about a product.
During the times when the tobacco industry was discounting the risks of smoking and cancer, the phrase âdoubt is our productâ was purportedly part of their strategy. And within the climate change discussions, certain individuals have literally made careers out of waving âthe uncertainty monsterâ. It has been used to argue that models are unreliable. It has been used to argue that measurements of global temperature, sea ice, etc. are unreliable. As long as you can spread enough doubt about the scientific results in the right places, you can delay action on climate concerns. (...)
Also: the fallacy of composition
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NoEnzLefttoSplit
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Aug 15, 2023 - 8:51am |
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westslope wrote:
No_end_to self-serving BS,
Yes, as an investor I do specialize in investing in overseas oil & gas exploration and production companies. For a number of reasons. The US federal excise taxes on gasoline and diesel have not budged since the 1990s which means in real terms the excise taxes on gasoline and diesel have constantly declined over the past 3 decades.
The cheap energy entitlement continues to prevail particularly in the USA. That bet is reinforced every time the Biden regime acts like cheap fuel at the pump is his biggest political priority. Americans are willing to kill for this cheap energy entitlement.
Another reason includes your anti-data, anti-science, anti-expertise attitude that is remains widely shared in the USA and other rich democracies.
We both know that you are not an economist but clearly you behave as if you are smarter than all the economists. Are you familiar with the concept of net tax? Not surprising, seeing how you apparently know more than all kinds of experts in the fields of electrical generation, storage and distribution as well as mining. The current limitations of solar and wind are staring you in the face yet you refuse to see them.
Another reason is that poor developing countries who avoid the pitfalls of the Resource Curse can use the rich rents from oil and gas activities to 1) accelerate socio-economic development through better financed education, health, public infrastructure and 2) promote health through cleaner air by advancing natural gas as an energy source both industrial and domestic. Colombia, for example, has done relatively well (though it has stumbled as of late). Guyanese management of its offshore oil & gas boom has been stellar.
You may not care about pulling large numbers of people out of poverty No_end_to... but many people do.
If you are looking for a quick and lazy way of effecting a quick transition to a lower carbon-emitting world, limited, regional nuclear war is your only option. Your choice to support Israel's nuclear weapons arsenal and great US efforts to maintain Israel's regional nuclear weapons monopoly will certainly help with this option. More nuclear weapons proliferation is almost guaranteed.
In passing, congratulations for helping Germany to put all those coal-fired electrical generation plants back into use. Well played. Many believe that nuclear energy is key to effecting any kind of effective transition going forward.
oh, I totally agree with you about it being a mistake for Germany to take working nuclear plants offline and upping generation from coal. You may have missed it in older posts, but I am a fan of nuclear power as a last resort until viable storage solutions are developed and come online. I'd take nuclear over fossil fuels any day.
.. and thanks for the somewhat back-handed compliments about my economics nous. I hadn't realised I was coming across as that erudite, but hey, I'll take it.
As for developing countries selling off their oil reserves to climb the social ladder.. I have my doubts about the wisdom of that approach. Sounds like an even more perverse version of trickle-down economics to me because it basically gives large foreign corporations and their paid local cronies a ticket to cream it big time and actually just enables your North American profligacy that you seem so addicted to. I can't see any necessary benefits for the "little people" in that. Much better would be a decentralised power infrastructure that literally empowers rural communities - and wind and solar do that.
And as for the limitations of renewables, I don't dispute these in the least. It is why I still see a need for gas-fired power plants, which I would prefer to be shut-down, but there is no ready alternative that can rapidly top up any deficit in generating capacity at that scale in order to keep the grid stable, as I - in my ever so humble understanding of the matter - see it. That doesn't mean that there isn't still huge potential for renewables to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.
.. anti-data? anti-science? oh yeah? bring it on!
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R_P
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Aug 15, 2023 - 8:35am |
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westslope
Location: BC sage brush steppe
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Aug 15, 2023 - 7:38am |
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EL NIÃO/SOUTHERN OSCILLATION (ENSO) DIAGNOSTIC
DISCUSSION
issued by
CLIMATE PREDICTION CENTER/NCEP/NWS
10 August 2023
ENSO Alert System Status: El Niño Advisory
Synopsis: El Niño is anticipated to continue through the Northern Hemisphere winter
(with greater than 95% chance through December 2023 -February 2024).
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Take a careful look at Figure 6 in order to get an idea of the uncertainty that characterizes climate science.
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