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justlistening

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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 9:31pm

 kurtster wrote:
So if good can exist without any religious affiliation,

How about evil ?  Or is evil without a religious affiliation just plain bad ?

and I ain't talking 'bout the motorcycle rider neither ...


Good point.  Can you be an atheist or agnostic and belive in the devil?  Personally I don't - I think the sad reality is that the human race has the capacity for some pretty F'ed up sh*t.




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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 9:28pm

 kurtster wrote:
So if good can exist without any religious affiliation,

How about evil ?  Or is evil without a religious affiliation just plain bad ?

and I ain't talking 'bout the motorcycle rider neither ...

 
It simply depends on the situation...


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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 9:23pm

So if good can exist without any religious affiliation,

How about evil ?  Or is evil without a religious affiliation just plain bad ?

and I ain't talking 'bout the motorcycle rider neither ...
justlistening

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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 9:20pm

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All I can say is that it has a way different (almost transcendent) account of the creation story that stimulates more questions than the bible or torah and provides a segue to other philosophies that are otherwise ignored or denigrated by many religions.

 

I have to admit that I am woefully undereducated in this area.  I was raised a Catholic.  My x-wife is Jewish.  I spent time taking some Judiasm classes to better understand that religion.  One thing that struck me was how politicised the process was on deciding what went into the canon law (be it Catholocism or Judiasm), which served to make all the more cynical of religion.

It's on my list of things to do, read more on the history of religions.
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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 9:13pm

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A negative can't really be proven, neither by science or any other way. Science studies nature and generally excludes the supernatural by it's very methodology.

Or put in another way, there's always some imaginable god that can circumvent the laws of nature, etc.
 

I agree - maybe a better way to say it is I can't rule it out as a valid theory based on centuries of recorded "observation".  In science theories can be disproven.
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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 9:05pm

 justlistening wrote:


In what way?  Would it change my view on the usefulness of religion or bolster my belief in God?  I did a quick look on Wikipedia and the line that jumped out at me was the one about removing all evildoers and backsliders!  (Surely I'd be a backslider).  I don't know much about it.

 
All I can say is that it has a way different (almost transcendent) account of the creation story that stimulates more questions than the bible or torah and provides a segue to other philosophies that are otherwise ignored or denigrated by many religions.
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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 9:02pm

 justlistening wrote:
My only difference is that in my mind science hasn't proved God's non-existence either- which makes me an Agnostic I guess.
 
A negative can't really be proven, neither by science or any other way. Science studies nature and generally excludes the supernatural by it's very methodology.

Or put in another way, there's always some imaginable god that can circumvent the laws of nature, the setup of an experiment, etc.

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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 8:53pm

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Maybe you should read the Book of Enoch  that'll open your mind to another dimension!

 

In what way?  Would it change my view on the usefulness of religion or bolster my belief in God?  I did a quick look on Wikipedia and the line that jumped out at me was the one about removing all evildoers and backsliders!  (Surely I'd be a backslider).  I don't know much about it.


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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 8:47pm

 justlistening wrote:


Thanks for posting this Hippiechick - he echos a lot of what I think about too.  My only difference is that in my mind science hasn't proved God's non-existence either- which makes me an Agnostic I guess.

I'm greatful that religion trys to teach us a moral and good way to live - but God or not - that is the way we should live.
 
Maybe you should read the Book of Enoch  that'll open your mind to another dimension!


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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 8:41pm

 OlderThanDirt wrote:
Will there be a thread for Cynics?  I doubt it.

 

{#Lol} I'll start one!
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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 8:39pm

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I can't believe there isn't an Atheist thread. Anyway

A Holiday Message from Ricky Gervais: Why I’m An Atheist



 

Thanks for posting this Hippiechick - he echos a lot of what I think about too.  My only difference is that in my mind science hasn't proved God's non-existence either- which makes me an Agnostic I guess.

I'm greatful that religion trys to teach us a moral and good way to live - but God or not - that is the way we should live.
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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 8:37pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 
(I just picked up Bokey's cue and ran with it.)

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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 8:35pm

what the hell, OV?
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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 8:33pm

 OlderThanDirt wrote:
Will there be a thread for Cynics?  I doubt it.

 


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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 8:32pm

I can't believe there isn't a I CAN'T BELIEVE thread...
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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 8:30pm

. . . and Nephilim's, Anunnakians, etc.
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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 8:27pm

 OlderThanDirt wrote:
Will there be a thread for Cynics?  I doubt it.
 
how about a thread for sufists, where's that!
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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 8:26pm

Will there be a thread for Cynics?  I doubt it.
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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 8:25pm

 Xeric wrote:

There are a number of them.

 

I haven't seen them but thanks...
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Posted: Dec 19, 2010 - 8:23pm

Why isn't there a thread for Agnostics? I just don't know. {#No}


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